Des Moines Register compares Ron Paul policies to Rand Paul policies on several subjects

WIND SUBSIDIES

Ron Paul: Sponsored legislation for tax credits for wind and solar energy subsidies.

Rand Paul: Opposes subsidizing certain new energies like solar and wind because it distorts the marketplace.

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Ron doesn't like taxes. He likes credits. He likes cutting taxes. He doesn't see letting someone keep their own money as a subsidy and sees evil in the growth of government from the money quite apart from what 'benefit' the taxpayer gets from not paying.

they are equating what Ron said on tax credits with Rand on subsidies. No clue if Rand feels differently on tax credits. Ron is also against subsidies, obviously.
 
by nearly a billion dollars

Did Ron Paul really only propose a billion dollars in cuts? Since we spend 700 billion, I'm sure he advocated cutting it in half, at the very least.

I thought Ron Paul did want to abolish social security? Then again, if people were allowed to opt out it would collapse eventually. I just wish Ron had said we need to destroy the current situation NOW. That was one area where I felt Ron was somewhat soft (Granted, not NEARLY as soft as anyone else in politics) in an effort to be compassionate.

Just because people are relying on theft doesn't mean that the theft should be allowed to continue. I'm sure Ron Paul already knows this, which made me wonder why he never said it...

Oh well, nobody's perfect, Ron Paul is pretty darn close.

Rand is REALLY a squish on the entitlements issue. Granted, its a sacred cow, and unlike Ron, Rand IS willing to compromise to win, but still, his position frankly absolutely sucks on this one. I really hope he really at least agrees with Ron Paul and is just not willing to say it. "Raising the retirement age" absolutely SUCKS as a solution, its just a way of saying "Oh, let the young people shoulder the bill for the ponzi scheme, but since they'll benefit far less than they put in, the system should survive on their back." If Rand isn't brave enough to advocate abolition, he should try to get the age as LOW as possible. Drive it down the 55, then 45, then 35. I'm sure idiot liberal democrats will support you. Then watch the system burn. At least then it only takes a few years to destroy the idiotic, unconsitutional program.

At least Ron wanted to move in the right direction (Frankly, I'll admit that he's a better, more compassionate person than I am, constitutional and libertarian principles trump my limited compassion in this case) but Rand's position is absolutely terrible on the issue. I'm still supporting him, who else am I going to support? But its absolutely awful. I REALLY hope he doesn't believe his own silliness on this issue, because if he does, he's going to have no choice but to make taxes even higher. I hope he realizes that and is prepared to vote no and let it crumble.

Sorry Rand-fans, I just REALLY don't like his weak positions on entitlements. Neg rep away...
 
Did Ron Paul really only propose a billion dollars in cuts? Since we spend 700 billion, I'm sure he advocated cutting it in half, at the very least.

I thought Ron Paul did want to abolish social security? Then again, if people were allowed to opt out it would collapse eventually. I just wish Ron had said we need to destroy the current situation NOW. That was one area where I felt Ron was somewhat soft (Granted, not NEARLY as soft as anyone else in politics) in an effort to be compassionate.

Just because people are relying on theft doesn't mean that the theft should be allowed to continue. I'm sure Ron Paul already knows this, which made me wonder why he never said it...

Oh well, nobody's perfect, Ron Paul is pretty darn close.

Rand is REALLY a squish on the entitlements issue. Granted, its a sacred cow, and unlike Ron, Rand IS willing to compromise to win, but still, his position frankly absolutely sucks on this one. I really hope he really at least agrees with Ron Paul and is just not willing to say it. "Raising the retirement age" absolutely SUCKS as a solution, its just a way of saying "Oh, let the young people shoulder the bill for the ponzi scheme, but since they'll benefit far less than they put in, the system should survive on their back." If Rand isn't brave enough to advocate abolition, he should try to get the age as LOW as possible. Drive it down the 55, then 45, then 35. I'm sure idiot liberal democrats will support you. Then watch the system burn. At least then it only takes a few years to destroy the idiotic, unconsitutional program.

At least Ron wanted to move in the right direction (Frankly, I'll admit that he's a better, more compassionate person than I am, constitutional and libertarian principles trump my limited compassion in this case) but Rand's position is absolutely terrible on the issue. I'm still supporting him, who else am I going to support? But its absolutely awful. I REALLY hope he doesn't believe his own silliness on this issue, because if he does, he's going to have no choice but to make taxes even higher. I hope he realizes that and is prepared to vote no and let it crumble.

Sorry Rand-fans, I just REALLY don't like his weak positions on entitlements. Neg rep away...


He had a TRILLION his first year. Is a billion only on on budget military items?

His first three year budget was to balance the budget and his purpose was IMHO to out those saying the only way to do it is to cut social security and medicare for those who had already been forced to pay in, which he sees as contract rights, to be paid first, not last. He does end it immediately for those who didn't pay in yet, at their option, and people would be idiots not to opt out.

He was showing up Obama and Romney both of whom STARTED their cuts there (and increased spending elsewhere) Even if you are just referring to miliatary cuts, he cut more than the amount reflected in the budget difference because he also cut out completely the overseas conflicts which are 'off budget' items. His budget assumed he'd be moving troops here and would have to build bases here to do that, and would still be paying troop pay for their contract terms, only keeping them here where money would go back into our economy rather than spraying all over Afghanistan, etc. That was a stimulus to create jobs here, while living up to contracts. So there would have been early expenses, which would be one time costs.

Plus Ron's cuts were baseline cuts, not cuts in increases in spending as Romney and Ryan were talking about. But yeah, it was a budget that should actually have been sellable, had the media allowed it to get out.

I don't think the campaign packaged it properly to sell it either, although their ad was entertaining:

 
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He had a TRILLION his first year. Is a billion only on on budget military items?

The article said a billion on military, sorry. I thought for sure it was more than that...
His first three year budget was to balance the budget and his purpose was IMHO to out those saying the only way to do it is to cut social security and medicare for those who had already been forced to pay in, which he sees as contract rights, to be paid first, not last. He does end it immediately for those who didn't pay in yet, at their option, and people would be idiots not to opt out.
I don't see how stolen money can be any kind of valid contract, especially since even according to SCOTUS the "entitlements" are actually wealth transfers (Note that I don't seriously think SCOTUS has any authority, but neither does FedGov have any authority to do welfare.

Ron's position is at least ultimately libertarian in that it would eventually eradicate the problem. I personally disagree with his gradualism (One of the maybe 5% of things I don't agree with him on) but at least that is a valid libertarian solution. Rand, by contrast, is LAUGHABLY bad on the issue, which is sad because he's at least significantly better than anyone else on pretty much any other issue. But frankly, increasing the entitlements age is STUPID from a libertarian perspective, IMO. Its not even moving in the right direction. Increasing the age makes them last LONGER. If he is too cowardly (Or politically savvy?) to advocate elimination of the entitlements (Even gradually, like his dad) he should be trying to get the age as LOW as possible, all the while trying to cut taxes as possible. "Compromise" with liberals, but in an unusual way, lower taxes AND make entitlements kick in earlier. If they're as stupid as they look, they'll go for it, but if not, do not do ANYTHING (Whether it be a tax raise or an increase in age) to help prolong the programs.

Rand is TOTALLY being anti-productive on this one issue. Every other issue at least he'd make things less bad, but his position on this one is both stupid from a macro "Get libertarianism to happen ASAP" perspective, and from a vote gathering perspective. Most people are idiots and think that if they tell you entitlements will last, they will. So tell them you're going to cut their taxes AND not take away their entitlements. Its technically true, reality would be crushing them, not Rand Paul.

But raising the age is just prolonging an immoral program. Maybe if you got the age so obscenely high (Like 100) that the program actually spent SIGNIFICANTLY less money it might be worth it, but upping it to 70 just plain old makes it "Sustainable" and ensures that we'll be cursed with it longer than we should be.

I'm curious what Rand Paul's rationale is here. Its not politically smart OR strategically smart.

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He was showing up Obama and Romney both of whom STARTED their cuts there (and increased spending elsewhere) Even if you are just referring to miliatary cuts, he cut more than the amount reflected in the budget difference because he also cut out completely the overseas conflicts which are 'off budget' items. His budget assumed he'd be moving troops here and would have to build bases here to do that, and would still be paying troop pay for their contract terms, only keeping them here where money would go back into our economy rather than spraying all over Afghanistan, etc. That was a stimulus to create jobs here, while living up to contracts. So there would have been early expenses, which would be one time costs.
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OK that makes sense, and yeah, it doesn't surprise me that some of the foreign spending isn't reported.
Plus Ron's cuts were baseline cuts, not cuts in increases in spending as Romney and Ryan were talking about. But yeah, it was a budget that should actually have been sellable, had the media allowed it to get out.

I don't think the campaign packaged it properly to sell it either, although their ad was entertaining:
 
actually, I think the SCOTUS said up to a point it was vested, but I don't consider the SCOTUS the last word on morals, in any event. People who were forced to pay in deserve what they were forced to pay for, before NEW spending is incurred, those are valid debts. Why should the bonds owed SS fund not be paid back but those owed China or the federal reserve be paid back?

If you just don't want to be in the same position, having paid in and not having it be there for you when you are that age, is your moral position better? You would rather they be in that spot. If that is the case, you just want it stolen from someone else, not you.

Ron's way didn't steal from the young, but prioritized paying back the sort of entitlements that were paid for in advance, through coercion, to the top, ending departments, and cutting the empire. Medicare would need revisions, not to cut what is there, but because all medical spending by govt needs to be revised to inject cost sensitivity, or costs will continue to skyrocket and it won't be a matter of not paying back but there being no amount enough to pay the benefits.

But the point is that these other spending categories are so much bigger that cutting them is the way to balance the budget, and Obama and the GOP both are focusing on Social Security and medicare not because they are biggest but because there is a fund there and they want to use it for other things, as Obama took $500 billion from medicare for Obamacare. Now I understand those over 75 aren't being approved for chemotherapy. But that is when you are first going to get medicare under reform plans. It is medical rationing away from those who did pay in, to be used elsewhere. Ron made real cuts, and not where people were forced to pay, and counted on certain expenses being covered because their government said they could count on it.

It isn't relevant now, since Ron isn't running, but his was the only budget for the people rather than special interests imho.
 
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