Crowdfunding for a Floating City

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

This is worthwhile grassroots liberty activism: Indiegogo: Crowdfunding for a Floating City.



For a relevant discussion of relatively effective and ineffective liberty activism, see Patri Friedman's Cato essay Beyond Folk Activism.

 

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

I donated $100 to this Indiegogo campaign today. If you are the kind of person who donates to political campaigns of liberty-minded candidates running for public office I strongly encourage you to seriously consider donating to causes like this as well or instead.

 

[fletcher]

 

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

I'm fairly sure it's significantly cheaper to build a floating city on the water than in the air.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Not a big fan of the sea but I do like this idea and it seems that the Seasteading Institute finally has something in the works. Initially, I'm concerned about storms and tsunamis and what the plan is to protect against them. However, I'd love to have a little bitcoin paradise free from the rest of the bs that the fedgov spreads throughout the world.

 

[fisharmor]

Well, I am a big fan of the sea, but this is a stupid idea.
All it does is postpone the inevitable. At some point something that's going on aboard a seastead is going to get under the skin of some state bureaucrat.
That bureaucrat is going to pull a lever, and then a boatload of hut-huts will be on its way.
If the seasteaders are lucky.
They could just launch a cruise missile or three.
Or turn it into an exercise for good old-fashioned 16-inch gunners.

And it won't even make the evening news.
It'll get reported at CNS or Infowars or who-the-fuck-cares.com.
We'll all go apeshit about it and yell about how evil the state is and how those people just wanted to be free.

And they'll be dead.

Free communities will not work unless they are defensible.
Being afloat doesn't increase your defensive capability. I submit it rather reduces it.

 

[Henry Rogue]

Galt's Gulf?... Galt's Gulp?... Galt's Barge?

 

[torchbearer]

I'm fairly sure it's significantly cheaper to build a floating city on the water than in the air.

i was thinking of a city floating in the sky when i clicked the link.

 

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

Galt's Gulf?... Galt's Gulp?... Galt's Barge?

Galt's Gulch Chile.

There are many different attempts to establish free societies currently. I'm convinced that looking back on history several decades from now analysts will say that efforts such as The Free State Project, Seasteading, Gult's Gulch Chile, etc, played very significant roles in making most societies around the globe free societies. They will be the first and they will spread by example to the rest of the world.

By the way, Wendy McElroy just announced yesterday that she and her husband purchased a property in Galt's Gulch Chile and that they are planning on living there for the rest of their lives. I was happy to hear.

 

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

Well, I am a big fan of the sea, but this is a stupid idea.
All it does is postpone the inevitable. At some point something that's going on aboard a seastead is going to get under the skin of some state bureaucrat.
That bureaucrat is going to pull a lever, and then a boatload of hut-huts will be on its way.
If the seasteaders are lucky.
They could just launch a cruise missile or three.
Or turn it into an exercise for good old-fashioned 16-inch gunners.

And it won't even make the evening news.
It'll get reported at CNS or Infowars or who-the-fuck-cares.com.
We'll all go apeshit about it and yell about how evil the state is and how those people just wanted to be free.

And they'll be dead.

Free communities will not work unless they are defensible.
Being afloat doesn't increase your defensive capability. I submit it rather reduces it.

The vast majority of people are very skeptical. It's a problem when nearly everyone is skeptical of libertarian anarchist societies if your immediate goal is to change our current societies into such societies, but fortunately by creating new societies elsewhere we don't have to convert everyone first. You don't have to support seasteading, but seasteads will still get funded by the pioneering tireless minority eventually and when they do the world will look on change--because seeing is an argument they can understand.

 

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

Not a big fan of the sea but I do like this idea and it seems that the Seasteading Institute finally has something in the works. Initially, I'm concerned about storms and tsunamis and what the plan is to protect against them. However, I'd love to have a little bitcoin paradise free from the rest of the bs that the fedgov spreads throughout the world.

A bitcoin paradise sounds interesting. If by building a floating city they can indeed succeed in avoiding certain government regulations then it's probably the case that there are some businesses that could benefit a lot from setting up on the floating cities and not having the regulations. It mostly won't be average people living on them at first, but instead will be businesses that can take advantage of the uniquely free governance the seasteads offer.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

The Blue Seed Project is similar to this floating city concept but it's main goal is to offer entrepreneurs the ability to work off the coast of the US in international waters w/o having to go through the antiquated work visa program.

 

[Keith and stuff]

The Blue Seed Project is similar to this floating city concept but it's main goal is to offer entrepreneurs the ability to work off the coast of the US in international waters w/o having to go through the antiquated work visa program.

It will be in US waters as all waters are US waters according to government claims. The US government might leave them alone when it comes to immigration, though, hopefully. I like the crowd funding idea because it will take millions to launch such a program.

Porcfest is the largest and best know experiment in the free market in the world but the Seasteading folks have there thing. I have friends that attend it. It happens on a river in CA. http://ephemerisle.org/wiki/Ephemerisle

 

[Anti Federalist]

This idea, like most sea steading ideas is nuts.

The sea is a UN prison of voluminous regulations and rules.

You think compliance on shore is taxing and troublesome?

Wait until you start trying to wade through compliance issues for something like this.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I agree sea steading mini city-states will only be tolerated until they are too prosperous and helpful to freedom to be allowed to continue. But the idea is that the sea steading ships will be at least 12 miles offshore, in international waters, thus legally subject to international/UN laws, and not the US regime.

Of course, that won't stop the jackboots from drone striking them illegally, as international/UN rules are for everybody else to follow, not the US/UK/Israel.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I agree sea steading mini city-states will only be tolerated until they are too prosperous and helpful to freedom to be allowed to continue. But the idea is that the sea steading ships will be at least 12 miles offshore, in international waters, thus legally subject to international/UN laws, and not the US regime.

Of course, that won't stop the jackboots from drone striking them illegally, as international/UN rules are for everybody else to follow, not the US/UK/Israel.

The US isn't part of the law of the sea treaty. To the federal government, it has 100% authority 25 miles off shore, 50 miles off shore, 200 miles off shore and so on.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Looks more like a resort than a refuge.

I still can't imagine living in a densely populated area as a means to secure freedom. Perhaps I'm thinking conventionally, and my concerns wouldn't apply in this case with these sea-stead folks, but it's just that every major city eventually turns into big-gov't liberal hotbeds of insane policies. It would be difficult to make the transition from a guy who vows never to live within the city limits, to basically lock himself within, surrounded by vast blue ocean.

Not my cup-o-tea but I'd be curious to see how long it lasts.

 

[Sentinelrv]

At first I thought this thread was about a city in the sky, lol. It reminded me of the city of Columbia, featured in the recent game Bioshock Infinite.

 

[mad cow]

A stupid idea for too many reasons to list.

 

[Carlybee]

Interesting...not my bag..I have to have wide open space. Sort of reminds me of WaterWorld.