Michele Bachmann Creepy Michele Bachmann prayer at anti-gay Christian ministry.

[Dianne]

http://www.global-report.org/tv?video=18930

Hoping for Christ to end the world.

 

[YumYum]

http://www.global-report.org/tv?video=18930

Hoping for Christ to end the world.

What would people think if a candidate running for president had said the same prayer, but instead of praying to "Jehovah", they were praying to "Allah". Would there be concern then? End Times prophecies and the presidency don't mix. We found that out with George W. Bush. Bachmann mentions the "children" in her prayer. This should be of concern, because kids can be abused by religion, as this video clearly shows.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2STDH14aJVk

 

[PastaRocket848]

organized religion is nothing more than a simple way to make working class people think they're working towards something. too bad people are gullible enough to take things literally. causes more pain and suffering in the world than it's worth.

 

[sailingaway]

Collectivist, much?

The vast majority of Americans are religious. Some people are nuts, and some of the nuts happen to be religious, but there isn't a cause and effect. And SINCE the vast majority of Americans are religious, issueing statements that you think people who believe in the Bible are gullible isn't likely to win hearts and minds, imho.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses" was said by a guy who just wanted the State to be the opiate of the masses.

 

[jmdrake]

http://www.global-report.org/tv?video=18930

Hoping for Christ to end the world.

Even the Young Turks, as ridiculous as they were being, didn't go that far in distorting Bachmann. The woman said "It wasn't so much what she said as the way she said it." A central tenant for most Christians is that Jesus will someday return and that His return is a good thing. Why do you act like Jesus coming back is a negative? as hell.

 

[specsaregood]

And SINCE the vast majority of Americans are religious, issueing statements that you think people who believe in the Bible are gullible isn't likely to win hearts and minds, imho.

Come on sailing, you think that poster wants people to vote for dr. paul? lol

 

[YumYum]

Even the Young Turks, as ridiculous as they were being, didn't go that far in distorting Bachmann. The woman said "It wasn't so much what she said as the way she said it." A central tenant for most Christians is that Jesus will someday return and that His return is a good thing. Why do you act like Jesus coming back is a negative? as hell.

I think you have to put it in context as to who is praying for the end to come. You have to see the bigger picture. Bachmann is pro-war and for the bombing of Iran. She would engage this country in WW3 if it meant fighting a war that Israel starts. We saw that Bush wanted Christ to return, and his policies revolved around his End Times beliefs. We can see the mess that has got us into.

 

[smartguy911]

I can just imagine this being used in an Ad to attack her if she wins the nomination.

 

[jmdrake]

I think you have to put it in context as to who is praying for the end to come. You have to see the bigger picture. Bachmann is pro-war and for the bombing of Iran. She would engage this country in WW3 if it meant fighting a war that Israel starts. We saw that Bush wanted Christ to return, and his policies revolved around his End Times beliefs. We can see the mess that has got us into.

Oh I'm not a Bachmann fan in the least. But it would be stupid for us to join in with the Obama supporting "Young Turks" in attacking her for praying for Jesus' second coming and that for young people to be ready. I would imagine Ron Paul prays that same prayer although he's against bombing Iran and starting WW 3 for Israel. Dr. Paul was raised Lutheran just like Bachmann. Now he attends a Baptist church, but Baptists also believe in a literal 2nd coming of Christ.

Also I went to the "Bradlee Dean" website, since the Turk lady talked about him, expecting to see it being all about hating gays. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact it looks like something Ron Paul's 2008 presidential endorsee Chuck Baldwin might have put together except for the "Let's stop Muslims from building Mosques" part. Dean apparently has been going around the country to high schools teaching students about the constitution and "Judeo Christian values".

http://youcanruninternational.com/

Now maybe Dean's a false prophet/patriot. Maybe he isn't. I don't know. But if we're going to win over the people who feel that are culture and constitution are simultaneously going down the drain we have to tread carefully here. We're going to need more than the "Penn and Teller" crowd to win the nomination.

 

[acptulsa]

What would people think if a candidate running for president had said the same prayer, but instead of praying to "Jehovah", they were praying to "Allah". Would there be concern then?

Don't think it matters that much. I think she raised more than enough concern as it is to keep her out of the White House forever.

End of Times prophesies--or stated desires, even--are so incredibly presumptuous.

 

[LibertyEagle]

First of all, it is a prayer; not a speech.

Secondly, posting stuff from liberal sites that bash someone who is believed by many to be a conservative, is not a winning way to attract conservative Republicans to our side.

Whether some here like it or not, the majority of voting Republicans are Christians. It is not smart at all to continue this Christian-bashing meme, here, on a forum bearing Ron Paul's name. That is, if you want him to have a chance at all of winning the Republican nomination. If you do not give a shit, then by all means continue.

 

[jmdrake]

I can just imagine this being used in an Ad to attack her if she wins the nomination.

And I can imagine that attack ad actually helping Bachmann and hurting Obama. In fact it might be the thing to cost Obama the black vote. There wasn't a thing wrong with that prayer. Most blacks believe in the literal second coming of Christ. The negro spirituals are replete with that theme. You see when life sucks as bad as it did for slaves, Jesus' coming sounds like a great tradeoff. And if you believe in the second coming then of course you want your young people ready. Who wouldn't? Christians still make up the majority of this nation, not just the GOP. Tread lightly here.

 

[jmdrake]

Don't think it matters that much. I think she raised more than enough concern as it is to keep her out of the White House forever.

End of Times prophesies--or stated desires, even--are so incredibly presumptuous.

They aren't presumptuous if you are a Christian. Someone trying to set a date is definitely presumptuous. Someone trying to cast group X (like Israel) in some particular role is possibly presumptuous. But a simple belief that Jesus wasn't lying in John 13:1-3 and actually believing that the return of Christ sounds like a good thing is a central tenant for much if not most of Christendom.

 

[acptulsa]

I wasn't talking about believing Him, jmdrake. I was talking about trying to rush Him.

 

[dannno]

"Religion is the opiate of the masses" was said by a guy who just wanted the State to be the opiate of the masses.

It seems like the world would be a lot safer if opium was the opiate of the masses.

 

[ds21089]

We saw that Bush wanted Christ to return

That's very doubtful http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/the-skull-and-bones-secret-society-of-yale-university/ He and his father and his father's father and so on have been a member of skull and bones. You can be sure that anyone the elite choose to run this country will condemn Christianity.

I think Walter Veith is dead on when it comes to the elite society, how this country is being run(planned), and how history has been show to repeat itself not by coincidence, but because of precise planning. 1:01:45

 

[Sola_Fide]

organized religion is nothing more than a simple way to make working class people think they're working towards something. too bad people are gullible enough to take things literally. causes more pain and suffering in the world than it's worth.

I'm sorry but that didn't make any sense.

 

[jmdrake]

I wasn't talking about believing Him, jmdrake. I was talking about trying to rush Him.

Ah. As in trying to fulfill Bible prophecy yourself? (The Bible says everything in the sea will die, so I guess I've got to go dump toxins in the sea to help Jesus along). It is disturbing that some Christian feel they have a special duty to Israel because of Bible prophecy. That's not only an unbiblical position (the New Testament says there is neither "Jew nor Greek") but it shows a lack of faith (you don't believe God can protect Israel by Himself?) On the flipside Jesus did ask His followers to take His gospel to "all the world" and "then would the end come".

Anyhow, thanks for your clarification.

 

[jmdrake]

That's very doubtful http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/the-skull-and-bones-secret-society-of-yale-university/ He and his father and his father's father and so on have been a member of skull and bones. You can be sure that anyone the elite choose to run this country will condemn Christianity.

I think Walter Veith is dead on when it comes to the elite society, how this country is being run(planned), and how history has been show to repeat itself not by coincidence, but because of precise planning.

Good point. Bush did and said what he did and said for political expediency, not out of faith. Would a Christian pray at a Shinto Shrine?

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin405.htm

 

[sailingaway]

I can just imagine this being used in an Ad to attack her if she wins the nomination.

Not by us.

LOTS of Christians believe in the end times. Far more than have led us into bad policies. Ron is religious, and his religion speaks of the Prince of Peace, and he practices it.

I'm Christian, and I just hoped that Bush had more information than I did when we went into war. I trusted he did. I was absolutely wrong, but that is a human thing, not a religious thing.