Corporations=Collectivism.....

[buffalokid777]

After seeing on these various threads the defense of corporations......by people who supposedly hate collectivism....

Corporations are simply financial collectivism in my views.......

It is a group of investors stamping out individual proprietors......through superior capital

Prove me wrong.......

 

[yongrel]

You are wrong.

 

[amy31416]

3M

 

[buffalokid777]

You are wrong.

Prove it.....

 

[hypnagogue]

There are things I find disagreeable with corporations but being collectivist isn't really one of them. Btw, I've found calling people or things either collectivist, NWO, or elite is tantamount to calling someone a fag on the playground. It's meaningless but effective.

 

[yongrel]

Prove it.....

I wrote it. My word is law.

You are wrong.

 

[buffalokid777]

In The strange death of capitalist individualism, J. A. Banks argues that "liberal capitalism" has been succeeded by a system of "private collectivism", based upon large, hierarchical, and often transnational corporations. These corporations regard their employees and even their high-paid executives as dispensable, interchangeable commodities, ignoring their individuality and only purchasing labour that requires a minimum set of skills. Oligarchic directors with vastly inflated salaries lead from the top of steep corporate hierarchies and are often unaccountable even to shareholders. Private collectivism contrasts with the traditional capitalist mode of production, in which individual capitalists employed workers, invested in capital and collected profits directly, rather than a collective organization (the joint stock corporation).

Seems like good logic to me and why I support the Original Posting.....

 

[buffalokid777]

I wrote it. My word is law.

You are wrong.

You sir are a joke of logic.....if that's the best argument you can come up with.....

 

[yongrel]

You sir are a joke of logic.....if that's the best argument you can come up with.....

Your face is a joke of logic. Nyah.

 

[scholarpreneur]

There is a difference between saying something is morally wrong or should be illegal, and simply saying you don't agree with it.

What exactly are you saying?

 

[buffalokid777]

Your face is a joke of logic. Nyah.

You still refuse to refute 1 statement from the book The Death of Individual Capitalism by J.A. Banks.....

I just posted it.....here it is again....

"liberal capitalism" has been succeeded by a system of "private collectivism", based upon large, hierarchical, and often transnational corporations. These corporations regard their employees and even their high-paid executives as dispensable, interchangeable commodities, ignoring their individuality and only purchasing labour that requires a minimum set of skills. Oligarchic directors with vastly inflated salaries lead from the top of steep corporate hierarchies and are often unaccountable even to shareholders. Private collectivism contrasts with the traditional capitalist mode of production, in which individual capitalists employed workers, invested in capital and collected profits directly, rather than a collective organization (the joint stock corporation).

I think they are valid points and if you disagree please refute them with valid points rather than "It's not that way because I say so" so we can all put this aside.....

 

[buffalokid777]

There are things I find disagreeable with corporations but being collectivist isn't really one of them. Btw, I've found calling people or things either collectivist, NWO, or elite is tantamount to calling someone a fag on the playground. It's meaningless but effective.

I am not trying to demonize corporations through the use of the term collectivism....

Instead I am trying to show corporations are collectivism and trying to have those who disagree disprove me...

In the book The Death of Indivdual Capatilism......by J.A. Banks it states

"liberal capitalism" has been succeeded by a system of "private collectivism", based upon large, hierarchical, and often transnational corporations. These corporations regard their employees and even their high-paid executives as dispensable, interchangeable commodities, ignoring their individuality and only purchasing labour that requires a minimum set of skills. Oligarchic directors with vastly inflated salaries lead from the top of steep corporate hierarchies and are often unaccountable even to shareholders. Private collectivism contrasts with the traditional capitalist mode of production, in which individual capitalists employed workers, invested in capital and collected profits directly, rather than a collective organization (the joint stock corporation).

when I look at the current structure of corporations I agree 100% with J.A. Banks 100%

No one has yet to put forth one logical statement to dispute this view....

And if you are supposedly against collectivism....how can you not speak out against corporations as that is collectivism?

This is the way I feel......Give me some reasons why corporations are not private collectivism if you can......

 

[scholarpreneur]

Many of the biggest atrocities committed by multinationals are because of a "collectivist," centralized government.

No one (who has a clue what they're talking about) is arguing that corporations can do no wrong. Only that the centralization of government has brought out the worst in them.

Get rid of centralized government and it is a lot harder for a multinational corporation to operate. Multinational corporations thrive on uniform laws and regulations.

 

[buffalokid777]

Many of the biggest atrocities committed by multinationals are because of centralized government.

No one (who has a clue what they're talking about) is arguing that corporations can do no wrong. Only that the centralization of government has brought out the worst in them.

Get rid of centralized government and it is a lot harder for a multinational corporation to operate. Multinational corporations thrive on uniform laws and regulations.

I agree with you 100%....

but the argument of corporations=collectivism is valid and needs to be voiced.....

I am so sick of so called people who would dissaporve of political collectivism embrace financial collectivism through corporations.....

Tell me is political collectivism bad....while financial collectivism is good?

Do you not think for one minute to think the reasons the collectivist corporations want to grow so big is to impose political collectivism upon us.....this is the Rockefeller plan.....and it's high time to expose it.......By starting with educating the so called libertarians who hate political collectivism yet embrace finacial collectivism with some new thoughts to digest and discuss......

 

[hypnagogue]

private collectivism

That's essentially an oxymoron. A corporation is a voluntary association. No one is given special privileges that any other person could not have.

 

[scholarpreneur]

Check this out. This is how careful we used to be.

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these:

* Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.

* Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.

* Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.

* Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.

* Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.

* Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

 

[buffalokid777]

Check this out. This is how careful we used to be.

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

Awesome post!!!

That would be a start in the right direction towards reigning these financial collectivists in.....

 

[hypnagogue]

Quite right, Scholarpreneur.

There are many things wrong with the current form of corporate business, but it's not because they're collectivist.

 

[josephadel_3]

I see no problem in corporations as long as they follow the law and government doesn't intervene in their affairs. Aren't corporations inevitable, unless the State is completely communist?

 

[scholarpreneur]

That's essentially an oxymoron. A corporation is a voluntary association. No one is given special privileges that any other person could not have.

Yeah I have to agree. Voluntary is the key word.

I guess I am an individualist, but that doesn't mean I am opposed to working together with a group of people who share the same goals as me. That is very general definition of what a corporation is (or used to be anyway!)