Cop under investigation after high school brawl.

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Charlotte officer under investigation after video appears to show him allegedly slamming girl to ground

Student was taken to a hospital and treated for her injuries and has since been released.

www.wbtv.com

Officials said around 2:15 p.m., at dismissal, a large fight broke out at West Charlotte High School located near Batties Ford Road. Officers and the School Resource Officer were already outside in the bus lot when the fight started.

Deputy Chief Ryan Butler said that in the video it appears to show officers attempting to break up the fight and one officer scuffles with a girl.

She was taken to a hospital and treated for her injuries and has since been released.

Police said that two investigations were being conducted, a criminal one into the officer and an internal affairs investigation to see if policies or training were violated.

Butler said that the officer was placed on administrative leave pending an investigation.

 

[TheTexan]

very well executed slam, clearly the Officer has highest levels of professionalism

 

[ClaytonB]

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Part of this is a training problem. I'm not making any comment as to the legality of what happened here, specifically, it looks like this guy just went ape-mode and, but for a miracle, has rendered this individual a vegetable, if they survive. That disclaimer aside, let me remark briefly on the broad training problem in US policing.

When PDs say "we need more training" this is just another way to say "we demand more funding". So, even the word "training" itself is broken, it's basically meaningless in public-policy discourse. The actual problem with a lot of police-training is the hyper-focus on officer safety. Of course, your safety is a primary goal in any altercation. And yes, under the law, deadly-force is authorized (same as for civilians) in certain circumstances. But unless it is a deadly-force scenario (which is rare), then the safety of the other individual also matters under the law -- a police officer can't just run down people with their vehicle because "I felt safer" because that would be homicide.

OK, on to the core problem with what little "training" that police officers do receive -- because the emphasis is almost solely on "officer safety", the potential injuries that can be inflicted by different maneuvers are not properly emphasized. Concussions, bone fractures/breaks, spine dislocation, etc. etc. are highly predictable outcomes of various types of CQB maneuvers. Police training that does not properly emphasize these dangers (meaning, most of the course would be focused on how to avoid them) is effectively eliding them. The officers train on the training dummies, and when they finally get "the opportunity" to apply the maneuver in a real-world scenario (like the above), they just blindly apply the maneuver they were taught, without any regard to how the human body is completely unlike a training dummy (specifically, far less durable).

There are better alternatives. This is not a plug for the Gracies but they've put a lot of thought into this particular problem and have developed a police-training product designed to address it. If these officers had been trained in this system, instead of just practicing ankle picks on wrestling dummies in a wrestling gym, unsupervised, this scenario is less likely to have occurred. Note that I'm intentionally passing over any particular facts about this particular scenario without comment other than that it looks to me like a crime was committed.

 

[Danke]

Swing at a cop's head, FAFO.

 

[sparebulb]

Stop a just think for a moment:

Most 'murikunts think it is good, safe, and responsible to surrender their children every day to a state facility with armed and violent thugs roaming the halls.

Our society really does hate itself.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Part of this is a training problem. I'm not making any comment as to the legality of what happened here, specifically, it looks like this guy just went ape-mode and, but for a miracle, has rendered this individual a vegetable, if they survive. That disclaimer aside, let me remark briefly on the broad training problem in US policing.

When PDs say "we need more training" this is just another way to say "we demand more funding". So, even the word "training" itself is broken, it's basically meaningless in public-policy discourse. The actual problem with a lot of police-training is the hyper-focus on officer safety. Of course, your safety is a primary goal in any altercation. And yes, under the law, deadly-force is authorized (same as for civilians) in certain circumstances. But unless it is a deadly-force scenario (which is rare), then the safety of the other individual also matters under the law -- a police officer can't just run down people with their vehicle because "I felt safer" because that would be homicide.

OK, on to the core problem with what little "training" that police officers do receive -- because the emphasis is almost solely on "officer safety", the potential injuries that can be inflicted by different maneuvers are not properly emphasized. Concussions, bone fractures/breaks, spine dislocation, etc. etc. are highly predictable outcomes of various types of CQB maneuvers. Police training that does not properly emphasize these dangers (meaning, most of the course would be focused on how to avoid them) is effectively eliding them. The officers train on the training dummies, and when they finally get "the opportunity" to apply the maneuver in a real-world scenario (like the above), they just blindly apply the maneuver they were taught, without any regard to how the human body is completely unlike a training dummy (specifically, far less durable).

There are better alternatives. This is not a plug for the Gracies but they've put a lot of thought into this particular problem and have developed a police-training product designed to address it. If these officers had been trained in this system, instead of just practicing ankle picks on wrestling dummies in a wrestling gym, unsupervised, this scenario is less likely to have occurred. Note that I'm intentionally passing over any particular facts about this particular scenario without comment other than that it looks to me like a crime was committed.

It doesn't seem like you should be able to patent a hold/wrestle maneuver.

 

[ClaytonB]

It doesn't seem like you should be able to patent a hold/wrestle maneuver.

Yeah, I'm pretty much the most anti-IP person in the world. But I also understand why they did it from a business-strategy standpoint. When you're selling your product to government agencies "Patented" is like "5-star international rated"... they actually believe all that nonsense, so you just have to do it. Plus, they can sue anyone who tries to directly compete with them. And, to be fair, they did develop the system as a trainable product, meaning, it's not just a single maneuver, it's really the complete flow of "if this happens, then do this, if that happens, then do that." Again, I don't believe in IP (as-such), but I get why they did it this way.

 

[jmdrake]

It doesn't seem like you should be able to patent a hold/wrestle maneuver.

You can't patent a hold. You can copyright your training material and trademark your logos and other IP. That's why now most of the world user the term "Brazilian Jujutsu" instead of "Gracie Jujutsu" because "Gracie Jujutsu" is copyrighted. Their "Safewrap" system is there newest marketing plan (I would say "gimmic" but I do think it has value) because you can go into any major city and find as many gyms teaching BJJ these days as you used to find teaching TKD. That said, "Safewrap" seems to rely on the police having numbers on their side which doesn't seem to be the case in the OP video.

Edit: I couldn't watch the actul video because, for some stupid reason, YouTube has it "age restricted" and I'm not willing to give Google my drivers license or credit card just to watch a video. That said, it sounds like it's "patent pending" (meaning the Gracies have applied for a patent) rather than actually being an issued patent. Numerous frivolous patents are filed every year and ultimately rejected. This sounds like another one that will be rejected.

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The controversy echoes similar debates in the yoga world, where attempts to copyright specific poses or sequences have been legally challenged. In 2015, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that yoga sequences are not copyrightable, setting a precedent that could potentially apply to martial arts techniques as well.