common core

[Acala]

I have a close friend who is a third-grade teacher in a public school. She is also an avid Ron Paul supporter. We marched together, posted signs, and went to the meetups. She believes that government should get out of education entirely.

I had dinner with her last night and took the opportunity to ask her about Common Core, which her school has adopted. She likes it. She says it is a solid curriculum that is a significant upgrade to what they have been doing, especially in math and language.

Just a data point for y'all.

 

[libertyjam]

Meanwhile.... while some states allow parents to opt out of CC testing, Georgia seems to feel 'by God you will be tested or else!'

http://eaglerising.com/5793/police-confront-parents-opting-kids-common-core/

Last week in Marietta, Georgia parents were shocked when they were confronted by police as they walked on to their child’s school campus for a meeting with the principal. Why would police force be needed in a meeting with a pair of concerned parents? According to the police officer it was because “they were considered to be “potentially trespassing” on school property because they were in opposition to the normal school process.” The process they were opposed to was Common Core testing.
Even in a red state like Georgia, parents can’t get away from the far reaching grasp of the federal government and their education standards.
Tracy and Mary Finney, whose children attend West Side Elementary School, have decided to opt their children out of the state mandated testing. The test has been given in Georgia for years and is called the CRCT. This year is the last year the test will be given, but many parents don’t believe it’s a fair measure of what their child has learned because the state has aligned to the Common Core, and the test was not written with the Common Core in mind. It is with those thoughts in mind that the Finney’s chose to opt their children out of testing – and that should have been the end of it. But of course, it wasn’t….
“On Monday morning, we wrote a letter to our principal, forwarded to the other district administrators and teachers,” he continued. “We said that we refuse to allow our kids to take this test, and that we wanted them to be provided with other things to do during the test period, so that they were not going to ‘sit and stare.'”
Finney said, however, that he received an email from the assistant superintendent of the district, “telling me he reviewed my letter and that I’m not allowed to opt my children out or refuse testing.” …
Meg Norris, an organizer of United Opt-Out Georgia, told Breitbart News she is “shocked” at how the mandates to test children are being enforced in Georgia.
“It’s happening in schools all over Georgia,” Norris said. “Even children who are autistic must be tested.”
“Because of federal mandates, they are putting children through this,” she continued. “One child missed the first day of testing and the entire class was refused ice cream, leading to that child being bullied by his classmates.”

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/5793/police-confront-parents-opting-kids-common-core/#rAofdEWUAMxXDkO5.99​

Video and More @ link

 

[Danke]

I have a close friend who is a third-grade teacher in a public school. ... She believes that government should get out of education entirely.

ummm...

 

[Danke]

 

[Acala]

To the extent I have a point to make here, it would be this: oppose Common Core because government should be out of education entirely. Don't oppose Common Core based on its content unless you have first-hand experience with it because you might be wrong.

 

[Danke]

You Won’t Believe The Method That Common Core Is Using To Teach Our Kids Subtraction


Michael Snyder
The Truth
April 19, 2014



The dumbing down of America is accelerating. A massive federal takeover of education known as “Common Core” is attempting to impose nationwide academic standards on public schools throughout the entire country. Thanks to the backing of billionaire Bill Gates, endless promotion by the U.S. Department of Education, and financial bribes to state governments by the Obama administration, 45 states and Washington, D.C. have already agreed to implement the full Common Core standards in their schools. Unfortunately, these “standards” are doing to public education what Obamacare is doing to our health care system – absolutely ruining it. Just look at how basic math instruction has changed. Posted below is a comparison between the “old method” of subtraction and the “new method” of subtraction being taught in many of our schools. When I first came across this on Facebook, I thought that it was a joke…



I thought that there was no possible way that this could be real. I really thought that this must have come from some sort of parody website.

But it is actually true.

Here is another example of this. The following is an incredibly bizarre Common Core math problem and the response by one very frustrated parent that has gone viral all over the Internet recently…



The frustration being experienced by that parent is quite understandable. When I first looked at that math question, I could almost feel myself getting dumber while I read it.

Is this kind of “math” really preparing our kids for the real world?

I think not.

But these are the kinds of questions that textbook writers come up with as they attempt to implement the standards of Common Core…

The question appears to be aiming for several of the main Common Core math standards for second grade:
1) A requirement that students understand place value, for instance, that “100 can be thought of as a bundle of ten tens — called a ‘hundred.’”

2) That students be able to “add and subtract within 1000, using concrete models or drawings and strategies based on place value … and relate the strategy to a written method.” Also that they “understand that in adding or subtracting three-digit numbers, one adds or subtracts hundreds and hundreds, tens and tens, ones and ones; and sometimes it is necessary to compose or decompose tens or hundreds.”

3) That they can “explain why addition and subtraction strategies work, using place value and the properties of operations.”

4) And that they can “represent whole numbers as lengths from 0 on a number line diagram with equally spaced points corresponding to the numbers 0, 1, 2, …, and represent whole-number sums and differences within 100 on a number line diagram.”

​

Here is another example of some Common Core math…



What?

Are you kidding me?

Why make things so convoluted?

Are they actually trying to make our kids hate math more than they already do?

And old terms such as “add” and “subtract” are out. As you can see from the “Common Core – Parent Cheat Sheet” posted below, our kids are now learning how to “increase” and “decrease”…


And of course Common Core is not just messing with math.

Just check out the 4th grade homework assignment posted below…



If you cannot read what it says in the picture, here is a transcript of the text…

Ruby sat on the bed she shared with her husband holding a hairclip. There was something mysterious and powerful about the cheaply manufactured neon clip that she was fondling suspiciously. She didn’t recognize the hairclip. It was too big to be their daughter’s, and Ruby was sure that it wasn’t hers. She hadn’t had friends over in weeks, but here was this hairclip, little and green with a few long black hair strands caught in it. Ruby ran her fingers through her own blonde hair. She had just been vacuuming when she noticed this small, bright green object under the bed. Now their life would never be the same. She would wait here until Mike returned home.

Why is Ruby so affected by the hairclip?

How has the hairclip affected Ruby’s relationship?

From where did the hairclip most likely come?


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Why in the world are 4th grade students being taught lessons about husbands cheating on their wives?
Is this appropriate?

Unfortunately, this kind of inappropriate material can be found throughout Common Core-based textbooks all over the country.

Those promoting Common Core have gone to great lengths to make it appear that teachers, parents and students are embracing these new standards, but as Alex Newman recently detailed, that is not the case at all.
In fact, there has been a huge backlash against Common Core even in bastions of liberalism such as New York…

While the Big Business front group has been producing ads purporting to show that “teachers” support the standards, that lie is easily put to rest by witnessing the revolt among teachers in New York, where the Common Core roll-out has advanced faster than in other states. There, the board of the state teachers union voted unanimously against Common Core as it has been implemented so far. New York State Assemblyman Al Graf, a member of the Assembly Education Committee with a degree in education, even told The New American that the controversial standards represent “state-sponsored child abuse.” Even the governor in the establishment stronghold has been forced to retreat slightly on Common Core in the face of the public uprising. Opponents of the education takeover say this is just the start.

​

We live at a time when Americans have already become incredibly dumbed down.

Do we really want to sink even lower?

Posted below is stunning video of an Illinois Curriculum Director explaining that under Common Core, it is okay for children to say that “three times four equals eleven” as long as they can give the reasons for their answer…

What will our country look like if this insanity is allowed to continue?



At this point, only 43 percent of all Americans aged 18 to 24 can correctly point out the state of Ohio on a map of the United States.

How much dumber can we get and still survive as a nation?

http://www.infowars.com/you-wont-believe-the-method-that-common-core-is-using-to-teach-our-kids-subtraction/

 

[Acala]

You Won’t Believe The Method That Common Core Is Using To Teach Our Kids Subtraction


Michael Snyder
The Truth
April 19, 2014



The dumbing down of America is accelerating. A massive federal takeover of education known as “Common Core” is attempting to impose nationwide academic standards on public schools throughout the entire country. Thanks to the backing of billionaire Bill Gates, endless promotion by the U.S. Department of Education, and financial bribes to state governments by the Obama administration, 45 states and Washington, D.C. have already agreed to implement the full Common Core standards in their schools. Unfortunately, these “standards” are doing to public education what Obamacare is doing to our health care system – absolutely ruining it. Just look at how basic math instruction has changed. Posted below is a comparison between the “old method” of subtraction and the “new method” of subtraction being taught in many of our schools. When I first came across this on Facebook, I thought that it was a joke…



I thought that there was no possible way that this could be real. I really thought that this must have come from some sort of parody website.

But it is actually true.

Here is another example of this. The following is an incredibly bizarre Common Core math problem and the response by one very frustrated parent that has gone viral all over the Internet recently…



The frustration being experienced by that parent is quite understandable. When I first looked at that math question, I could almost feel myself getting dumber while I read it.

Is this kind of “math” really preparing our kids for the real world?

I think not.

But these are the kinds of questions that textbook writers come up with as they attempt to implement the standards of Common Core…

The question appears to be aiming for several of the main Common Core math standards for second grade:
1) A requirement that students understand place value, for instance, that “100 can be thought of as a bundle of ten tens — called a ‘hundred.’”

2) That students be able to “add and subtract within 1000, using concrete models or drawings and strategies based on place value … and relate the strategy to a written method.” Also that they “understand that in adding or subtracting three-digit numbers, one adds or subtracts hundreds and hundreds, tens and tens, ones and ones; and sometimes it is necessary to compose or decompose tens or hundreds.”

3) That they can “explain why addition and subtraction strategies work, using place value and the properties of operations.”

4) And that they can “represent whole numbers as lengths from 0 on a number line diagram with equally spaced points corresponding to the numbers 0, 1, 2, …, and represent whole-number sums and differences within 100 on a number line diagram.”

​

Here is another example of some Common Core math…



What?

Are you kidding me?

Why make things so convoluted?

Are they actually trying to make our kids hate math more than they already do?

And old terms such as “add” and “subtract” are out. As you can see from the “Common Core – Parent Cheat Sheet” posted below, our kids are now learning how to “increase” and “decrease”…


And of course Common Core is not just messing with math.

Just check out the 4th grade homework assignment posted below…



If you cannot read what it says in the picture, here is a transcript of the text…

Ruby sat on the bed she shared with her husband holding a hairclip. There was something mysterious and powerful about the cheaply manufactured neon clip that she was fondling suspiciously. She didn’t recognize the hairclip. It was too big to be their daughter’s, and Ruby was sure that it wasn’t hers. She hadn’t had friends over in weeks, but here was this hairclip, little and green with a few long black hair strands caught in it. Ruby ran her fingers through her own blonde hair. She had just been vacuuming when she noticed this small, bright green object under the bed. Now their life would never be the same. She would wait here until Mike returned home.

Why is Ruby so affected by the hairclip?

How has the hairclip affected Ruby’s relationship?

From where did the hairclip most likely come?


​

Why in the world are 4th grade students being taught lessons about husbands cheating on their wives?
Is this appropriate?

Unfortunately, this kind of inappropriate material can be found throughout Common Core-based textbooks all over the country.

Those promoting Common Core have gone to great lengths to make it appear that teachers, parents and students are embracing these new standards, but as Alex Newman recently detailed, that is not the case at all.
In fact, there has been a huge backlash against Common Core even in bastions of liberalism such as New York…

While the Big Business front group has been producing ads purporting to show that “teachers” support the standards, that lie is easily put to rest by witnessing the revolt among teachers in New York, where the Common Core roll-out has advanced faster than in other states. There, the board of the state teachers union voted unanimously against Common Core as it has been implemented so far. New York State Assemblyman Al Graf, a member of the Assembly Education Committee with a degree in education, even told The New American that the controversial standards represent “state-sponsored child abuse.” Even the governor in the establishment stronghold has been forced to retreat slightly on Common Core in the face of the public uprising. Opponents of the education takeover say this is just the start.

​

We live at a time when Americans have already become incredibly dumbed down.

Do we really want to sink even lower?

Posted below is stunning video of an Illinois Curriculum Director explaining that under Common Core, it is okay for children to say that “three times four equals eleven” as long as they can give the reasons for their answer…

What will our country look like if this insanity is allowed to continue?



At this point, only 43 percent of all Americans aged 18 to 24 can correctly point out the state of Ohio on a map of the United States.

How much dumber can we get and still survive as a nation?

http://www.infowars.com/you-wont-believe-the-method-that-common-core-is-using-to-teach-our-kids-subtraction/

This is exactly what I am getting at. Rejecting new ways of teaching without really understanding them makes people look foolish. Of course just because something is new does not make it better. But the opposite is also true - just because something has always been done a certain way does not mean it should always be done that way.

This kind of grousing about a new way of teaching math is identical to the grousing that surrounded the so-called "new math" introduced when I was a kid. Of course the "new math" when I was a kid was trying to introduce some very important developments in math - like set theory - but all the old fart parents who refused to try and understand anything but the rote memorization that THEY learned didn't like it.

The hidebound opposition to new ways of teaching is one of the reasons Americans are among the worst in math and science.

 

[Danke]

This is exactly what I am getting at. Rejecting new ways of teaching without really understanding them makes people look foolish. Of course just because something is new does not make it better. But the opposite is also true - just because something has always been done a certain way does not mean it should always be done that way.

This kind of grousing about a new way of teaching math is identical to the grousing that surrounded the so-called "new math" introduced when I was a kid. Of course the "new math" when I was a kid was trying to introduce some very important developments in math - like set theory - but all the old fart parents who refused to try and understand anything but the rote memorization that THEY learned didn't like it.

The hidebound opposition to new ways of teaching is one of the reasons Americans are among the worst in math and science.

Why is Ruby so affected by the hairclip?

How has the hairclip affected Ruby’s relationship?

From where did the hairclip most likely come?

 

[CPUd]

I've been doing that commie math in my head for a while now; it's not as convoluted as they try to make it look. I think it is faster once you don't have to write stuff down.

 

[pcosmar]

Why is Ruby so affected by the hairclip?

How has the hairclip affected Ruby’s relationship?

From where did the hairclip most likely come?

The cat found it in the street. Played with it,,beat it up, and carried it in the house as a trophy.

And Ruby is mentally/emotionally unstable and tweaked from watching a diet of Soap Operas.

 

[moostraks]

My problem with common core is the propaganda that is being put in under the guise of improving education and the attempts being made to get everyone on the same page. Homeschoolers are at risk of losing their autonomy as the standardization process seems to be most important to be enforced (for the children ya know). As for the standards, they are often ridiculous`and typical nonsensical theories by a new set of fervent teachers seeking to make their mark on the world. When you raise humans like cattle you will get the herd mentality. It takes time, energy, and care to raise individuals and from what I have seen the focus seems to be on raising compliant consumers and not creative individualists.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You Won’t Believe The Method That Common Core Is Using To Teach Our Kids Subtraction

This has been happening for the better part of 15 years. I know because it has taken up a great deal of my time. I've been through a battle or two over these methods at the local level. And the pilot students for this specific model are already in college now. Which is important to consider in all of this. Just becuse it's new to you doesn't mean it's new. It's like bringing your shovel to help plant a garden but by the time you get there it's already time to harvest...and you without your basket...just a shovel.

Well....not you, per se, but you know what I mean. People are way late in the game with this. Way late.

Here's the standard model from almost a decade ago which is essentially what people are only now taking the time to scrutinize...

http://wgquirk.com/TERC.html - I've got boxes and boxes of this stuff.

 

[Acala]

My problem with common core is the propaganda that is being put in under the guise of improving education and the attempts being made to get everyone on the same page. Homeschoolers are at risk of losing their autonomy as the standardization process seems to be most important to be enforced (for the children ya know). As for the standards, they are often ridiculous`and typical nonsensical theories by a new set of fervent teachers seeking to make their mark on the world. When you raise humans like cattle you will get the herd mentality. It takes time, energy, and care to raise individuals and from what I have seen the focus seems to be on raising compliant consumers and not creative individualists.

I absolutely agree that the PROCESS of imposing curriculum and standards through government is WRONG. And that should be the focus of opposition.

But ridiculing the substance of the curriculum not only diverts attention from the real problem - government interference in education - but threatens to make critics look like boobs because they don't really understand what is going on.

Up until last night I had no opinion about the content of Common Core (nor is that necessary to oppose the policy) but I now have at my disposal the first-hand opinion of an intelligent (Christian) person I respect who has hands-on experience using the program in her own classroom. I will take that opinion over what I see posted above any day of the week.

Of course it doesn't matter how good the curriculum is, government should still not be involved in education.

 

[moostraks]

I absolutely agree that the PROCESS of imposing curriculum and standards through government is WRONG. And that should be the focus of opposition.

But ridiculing the substance of the curriculum not only diverts attention from the real problem - government interference in education - but threatens to make critics look like boobs because they don't really understand what is going on.

Up until last night I had no opinion about the content of Common Core (nor is that necessary to oppose the policy) but I now have at my disposal the first-hand opinion of an intelligent (Christian) person I respect who has hands-on experience using the program in her own classroom. I will take that opinion over what I see posted above any day of the week.

Of course it doesn't matter how good the curriculum is, government should still not be involved in education.

Well some of the stuff they are "improving" is using a stupid method for all learners. It is the problem with raising humans in herds. The system is broken and changing methods of math aren't going to improve the situation because they still are teaching to the middle and relying even more on testing which is a poor means of judging many students and won't inspire creativity or innovation. I believe it deserves to be ridiculed for what it is and what has been evidenced as problematic and I think danke pointed out some examples of what should be questioned. The ones who are looking like boobs in this situation aren't those asking for the state to be accountable for the massive overhaul but those that are abusing their position as educators and becoming tyrants and pimping a curriculum created by questionable sources with some ulterior motives. To make your judgement based upon one third grade public school teacher's opinion seems a bit narrow minded and lacking personal responsibility on your part to do your own research as you discount other issues brought up from other parents because one friend says it is great. In the case of your friend it might be true that the curriculum improved but reports from some teachers are that their area is going backwards. Sounds like your friend's parents got lucky with a district improvement.

 

[Acala]

Well some of the stuff they are "improving" is using a stupid method for all learners.

And you are basing your opinion on what?

The system is broken and changing methods of math aren't going to improve the situation because they still are teaching to the middle and relying even more on testing which is a poor means of judging many students and won't inspire creativity or innovation. I believe it deserves to be ridiculed for what it is and what has been evidenced as problematic and I think danke pointed out some examples of what should be questioned..

As far as I can tell, the critics are basing their opinion on third hand internet "journalism" rather than first hand experience.

The ones who are looking like boobs in this situation aren't those asking for the state to be accountable for the massive overhaul but those that are abusing their position as educators and becoming tyrants and pimping a curriculum created by questionable sources with some ulterior motives. .

People look like boobs when they ridicule things they don't understand, which is clearly the case in the cited examples of common core math. "They aren't teaching math like they did 50 years ago so it must be bad!" Ignorance is not a sound basis for criticism.

To make your judgement based upon one third grade public school teacher's opinion seems a bit narrow minded and lacking personal responsibility on your part to do your own research as you discount other issues brought up from other parents because one friend says it is great..

And your judgement is based on what?

In the case of your friend it might be true that the curriculum improved but reports from some teachers are that their area is going backwards..

I would be interested to see such reports from teachers with examples and explanations.

But here is the important question: suppose Common Core was great? Shouldn't we still oppose it because it is imposed by force? I think the answer is clearly yes. So my point is that attacking the substance of common core is at best a distraction and at worst makes us look ignorant. Attack it because government has no business in education, not because new math is scary.

 

[moostraks]

And you are basing your opinion on what?



As far as I can tell, the critics are basing their opinion on third hand internet "journalism" rather than first hand experience.



People look like boobs when they ridicule things they don't understand, which is clearly the case in the cited examples of common core math. "They aren't teaching math like they did 50 years ago so it must be bad!" Ignorance is not a sound basis for criticism.



And your judgement is based on what?



I would be interested to see such reports from teachers with examples and explanations.

But here is the important question: suppose Common Core was great? Shouldn't we still oppose it because it is imposed by force? I think the answer is clearly yes. So my point is that attacking the substance of common core is at best a distraction and at worst makes us look ignorant. Attack it because government has no business in education, not because new math is scary.

I am going to begin by saying I really detest when trying to have a discussion one decides to pick a post apart line by line. It is an unnecessary move that I usually only resort to when returning the favor to someone who has done to me to show how annoying it is. I am not in the mood for this type of a discussion so look elsewhere if you need that type of adversarial response.

You want to see reports from teachers then you need to do more research rather than having a conversation with one third grade teacher and telling those of us who have bothered to watch and research as this assault on families rolls out that we are boobs for questing their methods and the problem of government control of schools. The way they are changing reading is tied to who the government is in bed with as corporations are funding this monstrosity. The methods are tied to what is the problem. One could research product placement, student tracking, corporate sponsors, and who was involved with the initial creation of these new "standards". That would be a start. I am not going to do the work for you as each person will be different in what qualifies as evidence and your bar will be different than mine. It isn't something so easy as brushing off the fact that for your friend in her classroom the third grade curriculum looks better than what she had. Lucky her as she must have had some crappy curriculum compared to the the schools complaining it is dumbing down their teaching. Such is the nature of things when one standardizes education. In districts which are being dumbed down they have every right to argue on the basis of the methods.

Third hand internet journalism? Well, please let me just stick my head in the sand because heaven knows I shouldn't bother doing the same thing that helped me find Ron Paul and those with similar political views and gives me the ability to create change in my local area based on a national means of control. I should not see the overall picture of how a national program is being rolled out and what seeps out in North Dakota or Georgia or California because a national program is not going to be similar to what they are using in Ohio, now is it? I should wait until one of my Warren City school parents is able to smuggle out the evidence that parents with the same national curriculum are putting out for public debate. Come on, give me a break.

Just so you or silent onlookers know, I am a homeschooling parent. My interests are in the harm a national standard will have first and foremost on my requirements for my homeschool. Ohio already has a ridiculous list to have to comply with annually and I only see it as potentially being harmed by a new national standard. Then my concerns are that my tax dollars are used for this garbage and the ill effects it has on the students. I can offer my understanding of the important subjects for the individual and some different educational methods. I am no boob. I have 8 children from 2-21 and 1 grandchild with 1 more on the way. So my time is limited and I am selective on what I bother to focus on at any one point in time. People can take my opinion fwiw to them and tmmv.

 

[Acala]

I am going to begin by saying I really detest when trying to have a discussion one decides to pick a post apart line by line. It is an unnecessary move that I usually only resort to when returning the favor to someone who has done to me to show how annoying it is. I am not in the mood for this type of a discussion so look elsewhere if you need that type of adversarial response.

You want to see reports from teachers then you need to do more research rather than having a conversation with one third grade teacher and telling those of us who have bothered to watch and research as this assault on families rolls out that we are boobs for questing their methods and the problem of government control of schools. The way they are changing reading is tied to who the government is in bed with as corporations are funding this monstrosity. The methods are tied to what is the problem. One could research product placement, student tracking, corporate sponsors, and who was involved with the initial creation of these new "standards". That would be a start. I am not going to do the work for you as each person will be different in what qualifies as evidence and your bar will be different than mine. It isn't something so easy as brushing off the fact that for your friend in her classroom the third grade curriculum looks better than what she had. Lucky her as she must have had some crappy curriculum compared to the the schools complaining it is dumbing down their teaching. Such is the nature of things when one standardizes education. In districts which are being dumbed down they have every right to argue on the basis of the methods.

Third hand internet journalism? Well, please let me just stick my head in the sand because heaven knows I shouldn't bother doing the same thing that helped me find Ron Paul and those with similar political views and gives me the ability to create change in my local area based on a national means of control. I should not see the overall picture of how a national program is being rolled out and what seeps out in North Dakota or Georgia or California because a national program is not going to be similar to what they are using in Ohio, now is it? I should wait until one of my Warren City school parents is able to smuggle out the evidence that parents with the same national curriculum are putting out for public debate. Come on, give me a break.

Just so you or silent onlookers know, I am a homeschooling parent. My interests are in the harm a national standard will have first and foremost on my requirements for my homeschool. Ohio already has a ridiculous list to have to comply with annually and I only see it as potentially being harmed by a new national standard. Then my concerns are that my tax dollars are used for this garbage and the ill effects it has on the students. I can offer my understanding of the important subjects for the individual and some different educational methods. I am no boob. I have 8 children from 2-21 and 1 grandchild with 1 more on the way. So my time is limited and I am selective on what I bother to focus on at any one point in time. People can take my opinion fwiw to them and tmmv.

I have no idea why you find a particularized response so annoying. And I am not sure how else to respond to a post that makes numerous different points. Anyway, it was not intended to be obnoxious but rather was intended to be clear.

I am not only in favor of homeschooling, I am an advocate of non-schooling a la Summerhill and others. So don't make the mistake of thinking that I advocate government schools or any kind of government-mandated curriculum. I don't and have never indicated otherwise. So your arguments against government standards are wasted on me.

My point is that once you start arguing about the SUBSTANCE of the common core curriculum, you lose. In part you lose because people like me are likely to disagree with you and not because I am in bed with corporations. But the main reason you lose is that you divert attention from the real issue, which is government involvement in education AT ALL, not how well or poorly it does the job. The debate about what should be taught and how is endless and once you start mucking about in that swamp, you have essentially conceded the important point - that government should choose.

 

[moostraks]

I have no idea why you find a particularized response so annoying. And I am not sure how else to respond to a post that makes numerous different points. Anyway, it was not intended to be obnoxious but rather was intended to be clear.

I am not only in favor of homeschooling, I am an advocate of non-schooling a la Summerhill and others. So don't make the mistake of thinking that I advocate government schools or any kind of government-mandated curriculum. I don't and have never indicated otherwise. So your arguments against government standards are wasted on me.

My point is that once you start arguing about the SUBSTANCE of the common core curriculum, you lose. In part you lose because people like me are likely to disagree with you and not because I am in bed with corporations. But the main reason you lose is that you divert attention from the real issue, which is government involvement in education AT ALL, not how well or poorly it does the job. The debate about what should be taught and how is endless and once you start mucking about in that swamp, you have essentially conceded the important point - that government should choose.

We will have to disagree then because how they are doing it in regards to whom they are beholden to and how that plays out in the tracking and the curriculum is intrinsic to an argument against the standards which has won some people over to the idea of liberty in education. The anti-common core crowd is picking up steam as evidence mounts in the form of these leaks of what is within the texts that are being pushed and why they are changing things like literature which is now interested in teaching how to be a good corporate tool through an increase in non-fiction lit. You keep calling people boobs and no one will listen. You need to stop ridiculing people for disagreeing with your choice of methods just because they do things differently.

People are not going to jump for joy at removing what they see as a government good "for the children" unless they are aware of why it is failing and how it has been corrupted. Most people are for government schools and so your method is likely to be seen as short sighted and selfish unless you use the ammunition being provided for the argument through the corruption of education going on within common core. How they are doing it now has opened the eyes of many who have been blind. Few people cared about common core or education reform when this was first turned loose a couple years ago except for those of us who figured out ahead of time it was going to be fiasco and already were against government education. Wait till they need to finance all the tech improvements and teachers start taking a back seat to high tech innovation. It will come and more people will speak out against the how of the new method that is supposed to be saving our national education. Then we plant seeds of smaller government and the need for individualized teaching and methods tailored for the student which are just not possible within the framework of national education.

Don't underestimate people when having a conversation. They are able to follow a train of thought without being led in a point by point critique of what they say.

 

[CPUd]

We will have to disagree then because how they are doing it in regards to whom they are beholden to and how that plays out in the tracking and the curriculum is intrinsic to an argument against the standards which has won some people over to the idea of liberty in education. The anti-common core crowd is picking up steam as evidence mounts in the form of these leaks of what is within the texts that are being pushed and why they are changing things like literature which is now interested in teaching how to be a good corporate tool through an increase in non-fiction lit. You keep calling people boobs and no one will listen. You need to stop ridiculing people for disagreeing with your choice of methods just because they do things differently.

People are not going to jump for joy at removing what they see as a government good "for the children" unless they are aware of why it is failing and how it has been corrupted. Most people are for government schools and so your method is likely to be seen as short sighted and selfish unless you use the ammunition being provided for the argument through the corruption of education going on within common core. How they are doing it now has opened the eyes of many who have been blind. Few people cared about common core or education reform when this was first turned loose a couple years ago except for those of us who figured out ahead of time it was going to be fiasco and already were against government education. Wait till they need to finance all the tech improvements and teachers start taking a back seat to high tech innovation. It will come and more people will speak out against the how of the new method that is supposed to be saving our national education. Then we plant seeds of smaller government and the need for individualized teaching and methods tailored for the student which are just not possible within the framework of national education.

Don't underestimate people when having a conversation. They are able to follow a train of thought without being led in a point by point critique of what they say.

How do you think common core is corrupting the education system?

 

[DamianTV]

Dont forget that Common Core and Dept of Miseducation also insists on teaching children that Guns are a fucking Priviledge and ALL Rights are actually Priviledges that come from the Govt.

"You have the Right to ask Permission to carry a Gun." Thats not a Right. In fact, it is the exact opposite.

If the individual methods for communicating an understanding are sucessful, use em, just keep Govt and Propoganda out of schools as much as possible.