Reason
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The CIA needs to end. Completely. Intelligence gathering can be done by the military. Multiply this situation times 1000 and we probably have a realistic picture of the CIA world wide. They make me want to puke and shameful to be an American.
Always amazes me how people can ever question whether the CIA is involved in any and all overseas events. NOTHING would surprise me as being CIA. NOTHING.
But I wonder why this info was released. Qui bono? Only thing I can think of is that Obama's team wants a different Pres of Afghanistan so it's time to out the connection they've known about the whole time to give the opposition candidate a bump going into the run-off election. They want the challenger. But then why the challenger instead of the incumbent?
I read the title and thought, "Wait, you mean there are still people who don't take this kind of stuff for granted?"Far be it from me to support practically any executive power whatsoever, but I imagine anaconda's reasoning is that the military chain of command is more accountable to the President and therefore the public (indirectly). The CIA seems to be pretty much an independent monster of its own and pretty unaccountable to anything even remotely resembling an elected official.Do you really think the military will be more pleasant?
"These attacks on innocent people are cowardly" Clinton
I suppose the million or so Iraqi civilians who are dead because of US weapons agree with you madam secretary.
"These attacks on innocent people are cowardly" Clinton
I suppose the million or so Iraqi civilians who are dead because of US weapons agree with you madam secretary.
Do you really think the military will be more pleasant?

I for one am not surprised at all. In fact I'd be really surprised if I'd found out they were not the #1 drug lord.
This has been happening since the 1970s, and even earlier probably.
In South America, our CIA would bring drugs from these countries into the US and sell them on the streets. They would then take the proceeds and buy weapons and fund paramilitaries in South America that were on their side so they could fight these battles down there without using the US military.
Timing of this leak is very interesting.
Who leaked it now and why?
Why can't the military gather intelligence.Don't end the CIA. there are two legitimate actions the CIA can take. First is intelligence gathering and the second is counter-intelligence operations.
The problem is when it expands into covert operations. Those are empirically ineffective and often blur the line of morality. It leads to corruption. It is a bad road.
But we definitely need intelligence in a world where other countries also gather intelligence and aren't so afraid to use covert ops. Thus CIA could be limited to intelligence and counter-intelligence.
The heart of the problem is that the CIA has no clearly defined mission. Its authority rests inextricably on the authority of presidential power alone. This leads to mission creep when there is no given mission to begin with.