NewRightLibertarian
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My deal is that your comment made no sense. I personally don't give a shit how many reps you have.
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My deal is that your comment made no sense. I personally don't give a shit how many reps you have.
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It made perfect sense. The left/right paradigm is a farce. What did you think I meant?
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I think there's a definite schism (though it may seem minor in the grand scheme of things to you, but that's not my point) between libertarians who tend to defend actually-existing business and societal arrangements, and others who see these arrangements as something artificial. Libertarians who self-identify as leftist can get tired of seeing certain businesses glorified while the unsavory effects of their actions (most of which are results of state-granted privilege anyway) in the marketplace are often ignored. Or, they may see cultural issues from a different perspective. Whether you personally agree is really of no consequence here; I'm just trying to explain that people do not always hold the same viewpoint as the prevailing ones on these forums and on other libertarian sites. So that is where the 'split' comes from. The main problem is that depending on your viewpoint, a right-libertarian may miss certain nuances, or interpret actually-existing conditions differently, and it sometimes comes off as if he or she simply doesn't care to entertain other perspectives. This can be particularly annoying when the right-libertarian denigrates others who don't toe his or her ideological line.
Anyway, not sure if you're going to read all of this; I have read some of your other posts, and I know you likely won't agree that differences of perspective can exist within this movement without it necessarily meaning "leftists have infiltrated and are trying to pit us all against each other". I personally don't care that much anymore, which is why I've kind of stopped talking about libertarian issues recently. Just thought I'd try to offer a counter-argument for the post that got oodles of +reps.
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There are tons of schisms in the libertarian movement. Rothbard's famous joke about libertarians is true and telling-put 2 libertarians in a room together and they'll come up with at least 3 opinions on any issue. lolzI think there's a definite schism (though it may seem minor in the grand scheme of things to you, but that's not my point) between libertarians who tend to defend actually-existing business and societal arrangements, and others who see these arrangements as something artificial. Libertarians who self-identify as leftist can get tired of seeing certain businesses glorified while the unsavory effects of their actions (most of which are results of state-granted privilege anyway) in the marketplace are often ignored. Or, they may see cultural issues from a different perspective. Whether you personally agree is really of no consequence here; I'm just trying to explain that people do not always hold the same viewpoint as the prevailing ones on these forums and on other libertarian sites. So that is where the 'split' comes from. The main problem is that depending on your viewpoint, a right-libertarian may miss certain nuances, or interpret actually-existing conditions differently, and it sometimes comes off as if he or she simply doesn't care to entertain other perspectives. This can be particularly annoying when the right-libertarian denigrates others who don't toe his or her ideological line.
Anyway, not sure if you're going to read all of this; I have read some of your other posts, and I know you likely won't agree that differences of perspective can exist within this movement without it necessarily meaning "leftists have infiltrated and are trying to pit us all against each other". I personally don't care that much anymore, which is why I've kind of stopped talking about libertarian issues recently. Just thought I'd try to offer a counter-argument for the post that got oodles of +reps.
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Hmmm, article at the site; Where Right-Libertarianism Goes Wrong
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That term usually refers to conservatives with libertarian leanings. I'll have to look at the site for context since you conveniently left it out...
ETA: Read a bit of it, and it seems I was correct.
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That term usually refers to conservatives with libertarian leanings. I'll have to look at the site for context since you conveniently left it out...
ETA: Read a bit of it, and it seems I was correct.
Lol, I was just commenting on the article title.
You libertarians are so touchy..........
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you lolcats are so feely.....Lol, I was just commenting on the article title.
You libertarians are so touchy..........
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you lolcats are so feely.....
So together we're touchy-feely?
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It seems so!
~hugs~
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It's a great site. LOL @ "far-left extremists."
Vice wrote about Gogulski. Started a thread on him here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?452977-Mike-Gogulski-The-Stateless-Man
Vice wrote about Gogulski. Started a thread on him here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?452977-Mike-Gogulski-The-Stateless-Man
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I think there's a definite schism (though it may seem minor in the grand scheme of things to you, but that's not my point) between libertarians who tend to defend actually-existing business and societal arrangements, and others who see these arrangements as something artificial. Libertarians who self-identify as leftist can get tired of seeing certain businesses glorified while the unsavory effects of their actions (most of which are results of state-granted privilege anyway) in the marketplace are often ignored. Or, they may see cultural issues from a different perspective. Whether you personally agree is really of no consequence here; I'm just trying to explain that people do not always hold the same viewpoint as the prevailing ones on these forums and on other libertarian sites. So that is where the 'split' comes from. The main problem is that depending on your viewpoint, a right-libertarian may miss certain nuances, or interpret actually-existing conditions differently, and it sometimes comes off as if he or she simply doesn't care to entertain other perspectives. This can be particularly annoying when the right-libertarian denigrates others who don't toe his or her ideological line.
Anyway, not sure if you're going to read all of this; I have read some of your other posts, and I know you likely won't agree that differences of perspective can exist within this movement without it necessarily meaning "leftists have infiltrated and are trying to pit us all against each other". I personally don't care that much anymore, which is why I've kind of stopped talking about libertarian issues recently. Just thought I'd try to offer a counter-argument for the post that got oodles of +reps.
I would say that everything you have said here is accurate and also useful for us to understand. Thanks.
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