California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces by 2030

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California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces by 2030

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...ban-natural-gas-heaters-and-furnaces-by-2030/

JOEL B. POLLAK 25 Sep 2022

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) voted unanimously last week to pass a plan to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces by 2030, ostensibly to reduce smog to meet federal ozone standards, and to lower greenhouse gas emissions.

The plan, which was adopted unanimously by the board, raises questions about how the state’s power grid will handle new demand from electric space heaters in the winter. California homes are generally less insulated than homes in states with colder climates, meaning that the use of space heaters is popular when temperatures dip at night in winter months. The interior regions of the state, which are poorer than the coastal regions of the state, would be more affected by the new standard.

The plan states that CARB will achieve its goal through “meaningful engagement” with residents on heaters and furnaces:

Through meaningful engagement with communities and the process outlined below, CARB would adopt a statewide zero-emission standard which would have criteria pollutant benefits as a key result along with GHG reductions. Beginning in 2030, 100 percent of sales of new space heaters and water heaters would need to comply with the emission standard. CARB would design any such standard in collaboration with energy and building code regulators, and with air districts, to ensure it was consistent with all state and local efforts, and would work carefully with communities to consider any housing cost or affordability impacts, recognizing that reducing emissions from space and water heaters can generate health benefits and cost-savings with properly designed standards. CARB understands that this measure needs to be part of a suite of equity-promoting and complementary building decarbonization policies deeply informed by public process that include scaling back natural gas infrastructure, expanding construction of zero-emission buildings, and building a sustainable market by increasing affordability and accessibility through expanding incentive programs, ensuring utility rates are supportive of electrification, developing the workforce, and increasing consumer education.



This measure would not mandate retrofits in existing buildings, but some buildings would require retrofits to be able to use the new technology that this measure would require. Beginning in 2030, 100 percent of new space and water heaters (for either new construction or replacement of burned-out equipment in existing buildings) sold in California would need to meet the zero-emission standard. It is expected that this regulation would rely heavily on heat pump technologies currently being sold to electrify new and existing homes. In addition to the development process for the Proposed 2022 State SIP Strategy, the measure as proposed by staff or adopted by the Board will be subject to a full public process.

The idea that electric heaters would be “zero emissions” does not take into account how electricity is generated. Currently, renewable energy sources account for about one-third of California’s power supply; natural gas accounts for 40%.

The Hill adds: “California’s Public Utilities Commission also eliminated subsidies for new natural gas hookups last week, marking the first state to do so.” While touted as a way to lower emissions and reduce utility bills, the fundamental question of how to heat homes and provide fuel for cooking remains an open one in a state that has struggled to provide electricity to residents in periods of high demand.

Separately, Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed 40 separate climate bills earlier this month.
 
They are also banning diesel trucks by 2040. Good luck with that.

Not a fan of Government decrees..

I am a Fan of what is coming eventually.. Been in favor of Hydrogen since the first Embargo.

https://thedriven.io/2022/06/21/volvo-unveils-hydrogen-powered-truck-with-1000km-range/

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https://www.fleetowner.com/emissions-efficiency/article/21241114/the-dawn-of-hydrogen-trucks
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They should just ban heat and or AC.

They haven't developed the technology yet.

Remember, these are the people banning fossil fueled cars, but not private jets.

Once they develop an HVAC system that works in mansions, but can't be adapted to bungalows, then they'll be ready to ban the current technology outright.
 
The problem in California is the same as anywhere. The establishment almost always wins elections. They choose their candidate, and that candidate eventually wins. We do have Democrat candidates that oppose eliminating natural gas, or support common sense solutions to our problems. But the establishment will always back their insider candidate, someone who is vetted and “on their team”. And that team is globalist, socialist, green new deal, WEF and DNC approved.
 
I am in favor of most anything that is not government-incentivized.

I am in favor of Saudi Arabia having a product no one needs. They can eat sand.

have wanted an end to that addiction since 1976.

I never liked the OIL Subsidies either.
 
I am in favor of Saudi Arabia having a product no one needs. They can eat sand.

have wanted an end to that addiction since 1976.

I never liked the OIL Subsidies either.

Yeah, I get it. But, I'm also not for biting off my nose to spite my face. Petroleum is used in tons of things right now. It's not like we can turn that off overnight. Not unless you want to go back to the Dark Ages. I do not. But, I am all for energy alternatives that our government doesn't have to subsidize. You mention Saudi Arabia. There is tons of oil in the USA. If only Joe's handlers would let them drill it.
 
Yeah, I get it. But, I'm also not for biting off my nose to spite my face. Petroleum is used in tons of things right now. It's not like we can turn that off overnight. Not unless you want to go back to the Dark Ages. I do not. But, I am all for energy alternatives that our government doesn't have to subsidize. You mention Saudi Arabia. There is tons of oil in the USA. If only Joe's handlers would let them drill it.

There is plenty of Domestic Oil.for Medicine ,Plastics, Lubricants ect..
Using it as a disposable commodity for transportation is wasteful.

Time for a change, and some people hate Change.. (even for the better)

I see electricity as Freedom..anyone can Produce it. Not so with Gasoline.

Tesla has SOLD OUT it's Model 3 Production.. So there is a Market.

I like this.
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So in other words, more reliance on electricity. They have successfully eliminated the competition. Expect rates to climb much higher, probably in line with current EU rates. I wonder when the mandatory government controlled thermostats will be announced.
 


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The US has become third world with high energy costs , dismal GDP , double digit inflation . California is just the US leader in shitheel third world.
 
Size: 177” in overall length, 88” in overall width and 57” in overall height

• Cargo Capacity: 25 cu. ft. volume

• Passengers Seating for 2 Adults + Pet

• Exterior Colors: 3 different options

• Interior Colors: 3 different options

• Pricing $25,900 - $46,900+

• Expected delivery: 2022-2024 depending on order timing and configuration

• Premium features:

• Custom Interior/ Exterior Colors to create an Aptera that’s unique for you.

• Enhanced Audio gives you an extra 3 channels of audio for sound depth and deeper bass.

• SafetyPilot makes travel easy with level 2 autonomy capabilities.

• Safety divider and accessories to secure your pet while driving.

• Integrated tent and rear awning for camping adventures.

• Take Aptera off road with more ground clearance and tougher wheel covers.

I hate the "Green" Marketing,,
This thing is an exercise in Efficiency.. Wind resistance Rolling resistance and weight.

Waiting on the "Delta" model Crash tests.. but the engineers are pretty confident.
should be before Christmas.

(and it looks like stuff I was drawing as a teen.)
 
I hate the "Green" Marketing,,
This thing is an exercise in Efficiency.. Wind resistance Rolling resistance and weight.

Waiting on the "Delta" model Crash tests.. but the engineers are pretty confident.
should be before Christmas.

Green doesn't bother me. I try to be green too. Even money is green, which I really really like, very very much.

But, I don't like Greeners lol


Yeah, I'm really interested in this too and wish them success. I just read through their 2021 Annual Report
 
There are some areas of California that get VERY, VERY cold. It's not all just beaches and sunshine.

Electric heat pumps with cold weather back-ups are extremely expensive - not only to purchase, but also to operate.

These CARB mandates from unelected bureaucrats will do 2 things: Drive up the cost of living in California and create a market for "refurbished" legacy heating systems.

In both cases, the poorest will be hit the hardest.
 
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