Buchanan: ‘Rand Paul-Ron Paul-Pat Buchanan’ anti-interventionism is on the rise in the GOP

[TaftFan]

Buchanan: ‘Rand Paul-Ron Paul-Pat Buchanan’ anti-interventionism is on the rise in the GOP

Buchanan: ‘Rand Paul-Ron Paul-Pat Buchanan’ anti-interventionism is on the rise in the GOP

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/18/b...-in-the-republican-party-video/#ixzz2Nw57RmfF

 

[Christian Liberty]

Was Buchanan a Ron Paul suppoter at any point?

 

[TaftFan]

Was Buchanan a Ron Paul suppoter at any point?

I think Ron was his favorite. Not sure if he officially supported anybody or not.

 

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

Was Buchanan a Ron Paul suppoter at any point?

He's always said good things about Ron, especially on foreign policy.

Still...Pat Buchanan > Ron Paul

 

[Christian Liberty]

He's always said good things about Ron, especially on foreign policy.

Still...Pat Buchanan > Ron Paul

I completely disagree with you... Are you sure you're a libertarian and not a paleocon?

 

[eating_nachos]

I completely disagree with you... Are you sure you're a libertarian and not a paleocon?

He might be a paleolibertarian.

 

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

He might be a paleolibertarian.

Pretty much. I'm a socially conservative libertarian, with quite a few paleoconservative leanings.

For example, I do think that there should be special tax breaks for married heterosexual couples, especially those that encourage having large families and private/homeschooling.

 

[Christian Liberty]

He might be a paleolibertarian.

So is Ron Paul... I think. Pat Buchanan is a social conservative...

Granted, I still like Pat to some extent but I think he's clearly inferior to Ron Paul.

Pretty much. I'm a socially conservative libertarian, with quite a few paleoconservative leanings.

For example, I do think that there should be special tax breaks for married heterosexual couples, especially those that encourage having large families and private/homeschooling.

I think there should be special tax breaks for breathing...

 

[eating_nachos]

Pretty much. I'm a socially conservative libertarian, with quite a few paleoconservative leanings.

For example, I do think that there should be special tax breaks for married heterosexual couples, especially those that encourage having large families and private/homeschooling.

I'm in the same boat. My problem with pure libertarianism is that it underestimates the importance of community, culture, and civic society.

I'm also anti-big business.



PS: Pat Buchanan is awesome.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Pure libertarianism has no position on community, culture, and civic society. None. It is opposed to coercion and force, or at least for the minimization thereof.

 

[torchbearer]

Pure libertarianism has no position on community, culture, and civic society. None. It is opposed to coercion and force, or at least for the minimization thereof.

I recall reading early social scientist who theorized there would be no associations in America because of its free society. (these are really old papers)
It turned out the freedom allowed for so many associations, that most of the theorist had to rethink their works. there is no need for dictation/government position on community and association.

 

[Uriah]

There's a new generation comin' up.

 

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

I'm in the same boat. My problem with pure libertarianism is that it underestimates the importance of community, culture, and civic society.

Which is why I can't consider myself to be 100% libertarian.

I'm also anti-big business.

I'm assuming you mean big corporations that rely on welfare. I'm against that as well. And even if it's a completely legitimate and honest large business, 9 times out of 10 I'd rather buy from a small, family owned business.

PS: Pat Buchanan is awesome.

I really like him. I also love that he's a traditionalist Catholic.

 

[anaconda]

“I think Bill Kristol is pretty much on all fours with Lindsey Graham and John McCain,” Buchanan said.

No Moss On Pat Buchanan.

 

[Christian Liberty]

If we're going to talk Traditionalist Catholics, I honestly like Napolitano and Woods more than Buchanan. Buchanan is at least good on foreign policy but he isn't great on economics. I'm not sure to what extent he takes "State's rights" positions on social issues and to what extent he wants Federal intervention, but I know he's socially conservative to the point where I wouldn't really care for him as a governor.

 

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

If we're going to talk Traditionalist Catholics, I honestly like Napolitano and Woods more than Buchanan. Buchanan is at least good on foreign policy but he isn't great on economics. I'm not sure to what extent he takes "State's rights" positions on social issues and to what extent he wants Federal intervention, but I know he's socially conservative to the point where I wouldn't really care for him as a governor.

I love Tom Woods and respect Napolitano, although I disagree with him on a lot. I don't subscribe to his version of libertarianism in which the government is completely removed from all spheres of private life and I certainly do not agree with him on immigration.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I love Tom Woods and respect Napolitano, although I disagree with him on a lot. I don't subscribe to his version of libertarianism in which the government is completely removed from all spheres of private life and I certainly do not agree with him on immigration.

I'd subscribe more to Napolitano's version of libertarianism, and the main thing I disagree with Woods on is the anarchy vs minarchy debate. Both Woods and Napolitano are pro-life IIRC. I know with absolute certainty that Napolitano is. So yeah I think which traditionalist catholics we like more is probably more based on a philosophical disagreement than anything else.

As for immigration, its an issue I'm kind of ambivalent towards, but ultimately, I supoport basically opening the borders. I don't think we have an obligation to do so, but I think its a good idea. My only problem with it is the currently existing welfare state. Destroy that and I'll be all for opening the borders entirely.

 

[compromise]

Was Buchanan a Ron Paul suppoter at any point?

He endorsed Ron when Ron ran for Congress in 1996. He endorsed Mitt in the 2012 presidential election, as Mitt was the most protectionist candidate. His magazine, the American Conservative, endorsed Ron Paul.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Pure libertarianism has no position on community, culture, and civic society. None. It is opposed to coercion and force, or at least for the minimization thereof.

This^^ libertarianism recognizes the utility of community and voluntary interaction/association. The anti-social cliche associated with libertarians (like TLG expresses here) generally comes from the mistaken belief that opposition to coercive association=total isolationism. Read Mises and Rothbard, TLG.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Wait, Pat Buchanan endorsed Mitt over Obama, or over Ron Paul? If the latter, I've just lost any respect I ever had for the man. Supporting protectionism... I disagree with that, but emphasizing that issue over mass murder is just sick...