Breaking: Passenger Airliner shot down over Ukraine

[Brian4Liberty]

Breaking news is coming from the Ukraine that a Malaysian Airliner has been shot down over an active war zone in the Ukraine, while flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Just yesterday, a Ukrainian government jet fighter was shot down. Government aircraft have been flying attack missions over eastern Ukraine for some time now, in what is essentially a civil war.

This marks another disaster for Malaysia Airlines, whose Flight 370 disappeared under mysterious circumstances in March. Tragically, reports say that 295 passengers are presumed dead.

One question that surely needs to be asked is why was a commercial passenger jet routed over an active war zone, where air assets have been active? That is just one of many questions that will arise from this tragedy, along with the inevitable political posturing and spin.

More news to come...

 

[presence]

/other thread

 

[Brian4Liberty]

This news report includes information on military aircraft recently shot down in that area...

Malaysia Air said today that it "lost contact" with one of its passenger planes over Ukraine near the Russian border.

The airline said in a tweet that the Boeing 777 plane -- Flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lampur with 294 people on board -- had its "last known position was over Ukraine airspace."

Flight radar shows that the plane was lost somewhere on the eastern border of Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko confirmed that the plane "disappeared from radar screens."

"In recent days, this is the third tragic accident after the Russian territory were downed aircraft AN-26 and SU-25 Armed Forces of Ukraine. We do not exclude that this aircraft was also shot down, and stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not commit any action to defeat the purposes of the air," he added in a statement.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International...act-passenger-plane-ukraine/story?id=24599558

 

[ZENemy]

unbelievably tragic!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Some news from the Ukraine on the use of the Su-25:

Ukrainian Defense Ministry confirms damage of Su-25 in country's east

A Ukrainian Air Force aircraft was damaged from a MANPAD in the zone of the counterterrorist operation in East Ukraine as a result of which the pilot made a forced landing, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry reports.

It denied reports of the loss of two Sukhoi Su-25 aircraft.
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The trail aircraft of two Su-25 aircraft was damaged by a MANPAD at around 1 p.m. on Wednesday during a combat mission, the report says.

The pilot took the aircraft in the designated area and made a forced landing. "The pilot was not injured. The aircraft sustained minor damages and is repairable," the report says.
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"Combat aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force delivered several pinpoint strikes at certain enemy targets. Data concerning the destroyed materiel and personnel of the militants is being checked," the ministry added.
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More:
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/213924.html

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Related discussion thread:

Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...passenger-jet-reportedly-shot-down-in-Ukraine

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Wow, it seems that all the world's bad guys have some kind of a raging hatred of Malaysia Air.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The following video report is supposedly from the ground in the Ukraine.

We translated this video to the best our ability, though please note that due to sound quality, it may not be exact:

“What’s going on?"

"It’s a plane. Look!"

"It means the pilot died."

"Yes."

"The plane!"

Someone asks, “Why is everyone so excited?”

Another voice explains, "At first it was flying. It was coming from this side. It was flying, flying."

A third says, “It’s in a couple pieces. That’s what it seems like.”
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More:
http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/...rashes-in-ukraine-near-russian-border/374616/

 

[GunnyFreedom]

HB will appreciate the dialogue on this one

 

[green73]

/other thread

Even another mod pointed this out. Yet the mod comment got deleted and the thread stands.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine LIVE UPDATES

 

[DFF]

Who ever would knowingly shoot down a passenger airline filled with innocent civilians is a certified piece of shit who's guaranteed themselves a trip to Hell in the afterlife.

There's evil, there's evil, and then there's this...

 

[pcosmar]

Wow, it seems that all the world's bad guys have some kind of a raging hatred of Malaysia Air.

I wonder if that is mere coincidence or if Malaysia just became useful.

I wonder a lot.
I don't trust what comes from any of the media on face value. they are capable and habitual in deceptions.

 

[pcosmar]

Who ever would knowingly shoot down a passenger airline filled with innocent civilians is a certified piece of shit who's guaranteed themselves a trip to Hell in the afterlife.

But if they shot the President of Russia down they would be a hero.

And they got an entire countries Military Arsenal.

 

[jay_dub]

Jul 17, 2014

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.

 

[DFF]

I wonder if that is mere coincidence or if Malaysia just became useful.

I wonder a lot.

Well, it's interesting that literally the day after the US issues more (unjust) sanctions against the Russian Federation, and whilst Putin is returning from Brazil, this Malaysian plane then gets shot down, and now some in the media are trying to pin it on "Russian separatists."

This wouldn't benefit the Russian cause; it only makes it look very, very bad...

So I think the Russians can probably be ruled out as the culprits.

 

[jay_dub]

Link for my above post: http://mobile.dudamobile.com/site/e...roller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-#2825

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Strange headline, what one has to do with the other?


Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Goes Down Over Ukraine; Israel Launches 'Ground Phase' in Gaza
07/17/2014
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/malaysia-airlines-flight-17-ukraine-israel-launches-ground-24611604

 

[Zippyjuan]

Well, it's interesting that literally the day after the US issues more (unjust) sanctions against the Russian Federation, and whilst Putin is returning from Brazil, this Malaysian plane then gets shot down, and now some in the media are trying to pin it on "Russian separatists."

This wouldn't benefit the Russian cause; it only makes it look very, very bad...

So I think the Russians can probably be ruled out as the culprits.

Yes, it does make Russia look bad. What seems most likely to have happened based on information so far is that rebels in Ukraine were proud of their cool new anti-aircraft weapons (which they had used before to shoot down other planes and a helicoptor) thought they spotted another Ukranian airplane in the area so they fired at it- not knowing it was a civilian jet liner. The commander boasted "that will teach them to stay out of our airspace!" or something similiar.

Russia says it was Ukraine's fault for using force to try to drive the rebels out of eastern Ukraine (ie no fighting would even be going on hence no reason to shoot down any aircraft- "Well he started it!").

 

[pcosmar]

What seems most likely to have happened based on information so far is that rebels in Ukraine were proud of their cool new anti-aircraft weapons

The "rebels" have had that equipment from day one. It is the same equipment they had before they were rebels.

Just like most militia here in this country,, they had prior military service. and those weapon systems have been there the entire time.