Biden admin just declared war on gas engines

[devil21]

E15 gas. Stated reason is bullshit, of course. Pretty much all gas powered engines not designed for E15 or higher will sustain damage from E15 gas use. They know this and it's intentional.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/bi...ts-and-oil-refiners-allowing-more-ethanol-gas

The president is set to announce Tuesday during a visit to an ethanol plant in a remote town in Iowa that the EPA will eliminate restrictions on high-ethanol-content gasoline to be sold during the summer months. The decision hasn't yet been confirmed, but senior administration sources have leaked the news to WSJ and a handful of other media outlets.

The decision will allow gasoline with 15% ethanol to be sold between June 1 and Sept. 15. Normally only a 10% ethanol blend can be sold during that time period to reduce smog caused by the 15% blend’s higher volatility. more at link

Odds are they'll phase out ethanol-free and E10 gas entirely and stop allowing a choice.

 

[spudea]

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[devil21]

I also thought previously that ethanol was bad for gas engines. I was searching on this today and didn't find much on why it is bad. Only thing I found was that for modern engines i.e. year 2000+ ethanol actually cleans gas engines and has higher octane to reduce knocking. Although has lower energy so it results in lower gas mileage.

You must not have searched very hard. Search engine results for "E15 small engines" (applies to larger engines generally, also) has mountains of links explaining it. Your various manuals for ICE likely warn against E15 or higher usage, also.

 

[acptulsa]

If fuel system flexible hoses are old school rubber, not new school neoprene, ethanol eats them. Worse, it tends to wash the thin coat of oil off the cylinder walls before the piston rings scrape down them in the power stroke.

If you ever buy any garden implements (or other things) with two cycle engines, where the lubricating oil is mixed with (and burned with) the gas, it's a much bigger problem. Motorcycles and, to a lesser extent, cars were once sometimes so equipped too. But it doesn't do four cycle engines any favors in terms of longevity.

Burning vegetable oils in diesels doesn't cause that problem.

Ethanol is also foolish because it takes energy to distill corn, and guess where that comes from? Burisma natural gas, anyone? Hunter Biden thanks you for your patronage.

 

[Invisible Man]

I wonder if Biden is doing this to appeal more to Republican voters because he's worried about the midterm election. But it could backfire on him. This is just handing Trump the opportunity to accuse Biden of stealing his idea.

 

[spudea]

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[acptulsa]

No that's not how this works. YOU started this thread and said: "Pretty much all gas powered engines not designed for E15". Thats not true. Modern car engines 2001+ are designed for E10 and E15. When I search "E15 small engines" all the links talk about two stroke engines or old car engines without computers that can adjust for the higher octane rating.

I read about concerns about ethanol attracting moisture or as a solvent dislodging debris in the tank/fuel lines, but I don't see how that proves there are real problems caused by its use affecting "pretty much all" gas powered engines.

He didn't say pretty much all gas engines..., and he didn't say pretty much all gas engines are not designed for E15. He said "pretty much all gas engines not designed for E15... " Regardless of whether that's a large subset or a small subset of gas engines, and whether you own any, want any, care about them, or have a fuck them all attitude toward people who do, it is a group that exists.

And whether an engine is designed for E15 or not, it doesn't enhance longevity for the reason I mentioned above.

Ethanol is also, just so you'll know, not the only additive that raises the octane rating of gas. It's pretty much the cheapest, so oil companies like it. But E15 does not automatically have a higher octane rating than E10 or pure gas. Furthermore, not so many engines of any age can adjust to take advantage of octane more than a point higher than what they're designed for, and most of those are supercharged or turbocharged. Besides forced induction, the best way to take advantage of a higher octane rating is higher compression, and computers can't do a hell of a lot to change that on the fly.

Which means, if you use a higher octane fuel than necessary in most engines you're wasting your money, and your gas mileage could actually decrease as partially burned hydrocarbons clog up your catalytic converter.

And that is how these things work.

 

[Invisible Man]

No that's not how this works. YOU started this thread and said: "Pretty much all gas powered engines not designed for E15". Thats not true.

Reread what you just quoted him saying and notice how you misinterpreted it.

Notice how what you quoted as a sentence does not include a verb. And then go back to the OP and reread it again, and notice that what you quoted as a sentence was not written as a sentence, but just the subject of a sentence, and you didn't quote the rest of the sentence.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Not to mention the fact that ethanol is a net energy loss.

It is also a greater polluter than refined crude oil.

But none of this matters.

The ruling class has despised the idea of the proletarian masses having access to cheap, reliable, long distance personal transportation, since Henry Ford's Model T.

They are bound and determined to make automobiles what they were over 100 years ago, playthings of the ultra rich and ruling classes.

EV mandates covers new construction.

Ethanol mandates cover any bitter clingers trying play Cuba Norte' and keep their 50 year old heaps running as daily drivers.

Insanely high "Green Taxes" will take out whoever is left.

Enjoy your Chairman Mao bicycles, proles.