Between raising the minimum wage and supporting the UN, I couldnt watch it anymore

[krott5333]

these people are crazy

yeah, lets raise the minimum wage to $9 an hour, great idea, lets send more jobs overseas


do they actually believe the BS that they spew, or do they just assume that Americans are retarded? (which is partly true)

 

[MozoVote]

Minimum wage at $9, means more Latinos working for cash under the table.

Why can't American citizens just work for cash? Oh, yeah-- they CAN, if Ron Paul gets elected.

 

[Kuldebar]

The Titanic would be sinking, and these people would be talking about a government program to improve the laundry service on board.

 

[DjLoTi]

The Titanic would be sinking, and these people would be talking about a government program to improve the laundry service on board.

Spot on.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

these people are crazy

yeah, lets raise the minimum wage to $9 an hour, great idea, lets send more jobs overseas


do they actually believe the BS that they spew, or do they just assume that Americans are retarded? (which is partly true)

We should eliminate minimum wage.

 

[Kuldebar]

We should eliminate minimum wage.

I agree, most people recoil at the idea...but the logic is very sound to me.


Minimum Wage actually decreases the number of entry level jobs and essentially harms the same people it is supposed to be helping.

As always, the "price" is unseen, the price being the people not getting the job that was cut or never made available.

And entry level jobs are what most people start out in before moving up and out into better things.

And I am just morally opposed to the idea that the government has a right to tell you how much you have to pay some one....I think that's the employer and prospective employee's business.

 

[Wyurm]

The Titanic would be sinking, and these people would be talking about a government program to improve the laundry service on board.

Ah but they are. It astounds me how our liberties are being attacked on so many fronts, and just when I think we're making some headway in one area, a congressman or senator, all smiles comes hopping and skipping across the floor with a bill in his hand to solve all our problems by making everything FAR worse.

Edit: or presidential candidate.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I agree, most people recoil at the idea...but the logic is very sound to me.


Minimum Wage actually decreases the number of entry level jobs and essentially harms the same people it is supposed to be helping.

As always, the "price" is unseen, the price being the people not getting the job that was cut or never made available.

And entry level jobs are what most people start out in before moving up and out into better things.

And I am just morally opposed to the idea that the government has a right to tell you how much you have to pay some one....I think that's the employer and prospective employee's business.

yes. As a Libertarian, I tend to strive to be as socially liberal as possible, while being as fiscally conservative as can be I might make compromises in order to improve the system, but I think that Libertarian principles are awesome!

Eliminating the minimum wage would bring jobs back to America. Not only eliminate minimum wage, we need to do away with the tax system, so people will keep what they trade for their labor! Switching to a "hard assets" standard will strengthen the economy, so you'll see prices / cost of livings DRAMATICALLY decrease. The USD is worth between 3-5 cents per each $1, that is the purchasing power of the USD, imagine if our purchasing power increased 1000-2000% !! People would not only keep what they earn, everyone would now spend dramatically less for what they want.

We should also eliminate corporate welfare and "corporate status," meaning that all company owners would be viewed as individuals, they would all be liable for their actions.

Inflation would be 0

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh hell, if all it takes is a vote, then why don't they just raise the minimum wage to $100/hour? I wish someone would ask them that and see what their reply is. The fact is that a great deal of the jobs would dry up. Which one of these socialist A-Holes have studied this, even though it's socialistic BS, to see if the market would support a 9 dollar/hour minimum wage?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Explain the whole "socially liberal" thing to me.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Explain the whole "socially liberal" thing to me.

means I support gay rights / marriage, decriminalization of drugs, a liberal border policy, nonintervention, pro choice... not that I would support any of these things at the federal level, just my stances.

a few exceptions;

1. while I support gay marriage, I don't think government should regulate marriage

2. Not a wide open border policy, a quick search before entry... eliminate entitlements first

3. leave abortion etc to states

 

[Gee]

Explain the whole "socially liberal" thing to me.

It used to mean equal rights for everyone. Now it means special help for minorities, which the democrats seem to think are inferior to white males. Or why else would they need the help? Its an inherently racist attitude.

 

[kylejack]

It used to mean equal rights for everyone. Now it means special help for minorities, which the democrats seem to think are inferior to white males. Or why else would they need the help? Its an inherently racist attitude.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Socially liberal refers to civil rights, not welfare entitlements. Welfare entitlements are referred to as fiscally liberal. Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative, for the most part.

 

[Delaware]

Heres my Idea:

NO MINUMUM WAGE

Let the free market decide what people make.

If people don't want to do a job for $5 an hour, then the company will be forced to pay higher wages in order to find workers.

Illegal immigrations skirts this and hinders the free market's capacity to work itself.

 

[Kuldebar]

Sorry, but you're wrong. Socially liberal refers to civil rights, not welfare entitlements. Welfare entitlements are referred to as fiscally liberal. Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative, for the most part.

Well, labeling is always a wearisome pastime but let's not forget that Classical Liberalism is the root of it. The modern day Libertarian movement is a fairly recent "version" of the American philosophy of freedom. And, of course that can be traced back further to England and John Locke...

 

[Richandler]

It's sad that Americans don't realize that the more people who get raises the more the value of the dollar goes down. The illegal immigrants are holding this country together right now by accepting $3 an hour. We need to stop defending people who insist and having luxury given to them at the cost of everyone.

 

[kylejack]

Well, labeling is always a wearisome pastime but let's not forget that Classical Liberalism is the root of it. The modern day Libertarian movement is a fairly recent "version" of the American philosophy of freedom. And, of course that can be traced back further to England and John Locke...

You speak the truth, of course, but "liberal" was stolen from us. Now they've moved on to "progressive". Can we have "liberal" back?

 

[ThePieSwindler]

Another thing about raising wages is that it means nothing as the dollar plummets. Raising minimum wage does not DIRECTLY affect the value of the dollar (though it does decrease the number of jobs and hurt the very poor and the young entry level workers), but its like cutting a weed off in the middle. It does not get to the heart of the problem that afflicts the poor and working class - the weakening of the purchasing power of the dollar. That can only be fixed by changing the system of a nation of credit and debt issued by by unelected powerful elites, and by cutting spending so that we do not have to print money to pay off the debt.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

It's sad that Americans don't realize that the more people who get raises the more the value of the dollar goes down. The illegal immigrants are holding this country together right now by accepting $3 an hour. We need to stop defending people who insist and having luxury given to them at the cost of everyone.

Johnson's "Great Society" (liberal economics) FAILED.. then was the conservatives under Nixon took over, that was when the neo cons propelled to power during Vietnam and by lying about the intentions of the SU.. liberal economics has already been proven to not work during Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society," but it failed, still, liberals keep on trying to do the same thing... LOL

 

[ThePieSwindler]

You speak the truth, of course, but "liberal" was stolen from us. Now they've moved on to "progressive". Can we have "liberal" back?

Haha thats funny, thats exactly what Hillary said in the debates tonight! She said "liberal means and used individual liberty and protecting the indivdual - i would consider myself a modern progressive more than a liberal" or something to that extent. What a hack.