BEN GINSBERG involved in GOP Debate changes!

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Most of you will recall the rules changes forced through at the 2012 RNC - with th help of Ben Ginsberg and Jon Sununu. It seems that Leslie Graham invited Ginsberg to be part of today's meeting regarding how future debates will be handled!

EXCLUSIVE: EMAILS PROVE LINDSEY GRAHAM’S FLAILING CAMPAIGN BROUGHT IN CONTROVERSIAL LAWYER BEN GINSBERG TO FACILITATE GOP DEBATE MEETING

by MATTHEW BOYLE 1 Nov 2015

Emails among campaigns meeting this evening just outside Washington, D.C., to discuss the 2016 GOP primary debate structure moving forward, obtained exclusively by Breitbart News, prove that it was the campaign of Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC)45%
that invited highly controversial lawyer Ben Ginsberg to the gathering.

Graham’s campaign manager Christian Ferry, a principal at the political consultant firm the Trailblazer Group, sent an email on Saturday to the various campaigns around 1 p.m. ET to note Ginsberg’s involvement. The email, headed “Sunday meeting,” makes clear that Ginsberg is running the show at Graham’s campaign’s direction.

“Please find the information for the GOP campaign meeting tomorrow below, as well as a general agenda so you can come ready to discuss,” Ferry wrote. “A more detailed agenda will be provided during the meeting. We look forward to seeing you there. As a reminder, Ben Ginsberg will be facilitating the discussion so we can move through important items. Please send no more than two campaign representatives.”

The meeting is taking place at 6 p.m. in Alexandria, Virginia, at the Hilton on Old Town’s King Street. Ferry detailed four bullet points later in the email that went through what campaigns participating in it are expecting to discuss. First, they will discuss “short comings of current process,” second, “areas of agreement,” third, “issues for future debates,” and fourth, “agreed action items.”

Ginsberg’s involvement in this meeting has conservatives previously excited about it seriously worried that the Washington establishment may try to exert more control over the debate process. One source with knowledge of these matters previously told Breitbart News that despite reports in the Wall Street Journal and New York Times that Ginsberg would be in charge, he wouldn’t be.

“Ben Ginsburg has zero authority or role in these meetings other than presenting what occurred in the 2012 cycle,” that source previously said. “He has no say so, but is simply reviewing the debate structure from the last cycle.”

But GOP campaigns are worried with Ginsberg inserting himself into the process that whatever comes out of this event may end up being worse than it was going in.

“It’s like letting the devil run Bible study,” one senior GOP operative with one GOP campaign told Breitbart News when asked for reaction to the news that Ginsberg was involved.

That’s because Ginsberg has a troubling history of gaming the process to help the Washington establishment crush conservatives. As the establishment in 2012, run by allies of then-GOP nominee Mitt Romney, made several changes to RNC rules, Ginsberg ran point.

“Last Friday, August 24th, at a meeting the Convention Rules Committee, longtime GOP lawyer and Romney advisor Ben Ginsberg surprised Rules Committee members by proposing some rules changes that, on reflection, were almost certainly intended to consolidate control of the party in Washington and head off a conservative challenge to President Romney in 2016,” Dean Clancy wrote for FreedomWorks in 2012.

In his piece, Clancy cited conservative movement leader Morton Blackwell—an RNC committeeman from Virginia—who lambasted the Ginsberg efforts in a Red State column.

“The changes he [Ginsberg] proposed shared a common theme: to concentrate and centralize more power at the top of the party and to shut off opportunities for power in the party to flow from the bottom up,” Blackwell wrote.

None of Mr. Ginsberg’s power grabs would in any way help us elect Mitt Romney and defeat President Barack Obama… But his efforts predictably enraged conservative Republicans who treasure the protections long incorporated in our national party rules. The record will show that during the Conventions Rules Committee meeting, as a member of that committee from Virginia, I repeatedly warned Mr. Ginsberg that his power grabs would hurt the Romney campaign by outraging grassroots conservative and libertarian activists whom we want to support our candidates this year.​

Blackwell has fought for years against some in the RNC’s efforts to centralize power in Washington. In a follow-up letter to RNC chairman Reince Priebus raising hell on such efforts in 2014, Blackwell walked through what Ginsberg did in 2012.

Blackwell wrote to Priebus that “the unprecedented series of power grabs introduced and passed at the Convention Rules Committee meeting in Tampa by the Romney campaign through Ben Ginsberg (their designated representative on the Convention Rules Committee) attracted the instant attention of print, broadcast, and online media.”

“Everyone knew that Romney lieutenant Ron Kaufman of Massachusetts was in charge of national convention matters for the Romney campaign. Everyone also understood that Ben Ginsberg of D.C. was the Romney/Kaufman leader at the Convention Rules Committee meetings,” Blackwell continued. “Under pressure, many members of the Convention Rules Committee did whatever Ron Kaufman and Ben Ginsberg let them know they wanted done.

“That’s unfortunate. Willingness always to do exactly what one is told to do is overrated as a measure of party loyalty.”

Ultimately, Blackwell wrote, the plan of people like Ginsberg and his allies is to eliminate primaries because they help conservatives.

“Kaufman admitted two months ago in my presence that what he really wants is for Republicans to hold a one-day national presidential primary across the country,” Blackwell wrote. “His position favoring a one-day national Republican primary runs directly counter to the almost universal consensus among generations of participants in our national rule-making process that front-loading the schedule of our delegation-selection process is very dangerous to our party.”

A Graham campaign spokeswoman hasn’t immediately responded to a request for comment about his campaign’s role in bringing in Ginsberg. Interestingly, another Graham campaign staffer—Brett O’Donnell, who is cc’ed on Ferry’s email to other campaigns and appears to also be involved in Sunday’s meeting in the D.C. area—has very recently pled guilty to lying in federal court.

“A top Republican campaign consultant who has advised 2012 nominee Mitt Romney and other top party leaders pled guilty to lying to congressional investigators who were looking into former Georgia Rep. Paul Broun’s use of taxpayer money for political activities,” CNN’s Deirdre Walsh wrote about the plea deal.

Brett O’Donnell admitted in a plea agreement in federal court in Georgia that he made “false statements” to the Office of Congressional Ethics, an independent, non-partisan panel that screens potential wrongdoing by members of the House of Representatives. Court documents filed on Friday show that the $43,000 Broun paid O’Donnell from 2012-2014 was not for official business related to his congressional office, but for advice for his House campaign and for his bid for an open U.S. Senate seat. The maximum penalty for the offense is five years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine, but the plea deal notes guidelines that could mean O’Donnell’s sentence is likely to be lower.​

Graham’s campaign has been struggling to gain any traction whatsoever–he’s at 1 percent or less in most recent polling–despite multiple and frequent appearances from the senator on television. Graham has never made the main debate stage and has been only making the undercard debate stage.

Ginsberg appeared on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday morning to discuss his role in the meeting.

“I’m going to tell them you need to figure out what to do,” Ginsberg said.

“There have been problems with the first three debates,” Ginsberg added, then saying: “It’s their meeting and their agenda and their debates.”

The meeting was organized to begin with by Dr. Ben Carson’s campaign manager Barry Bennett. Carson wants fewer debates but for all the candidates to appear on stage.

“Barry Bennett, the Ben Carson campaign manager who organized the meeting, has told other campaigns that they want all candidates to appear on the same stage for two-hour debates where each candidate is given five minutes for opening and closing statements,” CNN wrote.

They also, according to Carson himself, want moderators who aren’t overtly political and inserting themselves into the process–like what happened with the recent CNBC debate in Boulder, Colorado.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...en-ginsberg-to-facilitate-gop-debate-meeting/
 
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Sounds like they didn't get shit done:
The Republican presidential campaigns that spent days advocating for an overhaul of the debates emerged from a highly anticipated meeting on Sunday night with only modest proposals for change -- and a great deal of disagreement.

The campaigns' requests -- a two-hour time limit, 30 seconds for opening and closing statements, equal speaking time for each candidate -- were remarkably limited in scope when compared to the ambitious proposals put forth in the days leading up the meeting.

But the campaigns failed to agree on key proposals, including bringing the so-called undercard candidates onto the main stage.

Several campaigns expressed interest in having all 14 candidates appear on the same stage, or splitting the debates into two randomly assigned groups of seven. But representatives for some of the frontrunners, especially the Donald Trump campaign, objected to that suggestion.

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http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/01/media/gop-candidates-debate-meeting/index.html
 
It would be sensible to have everyone on the same stage, and just go down the line asking the same questions, giving them all equal speaking time.

Therefore, this will never happen.
 
Interesting. One thing I found confusing until I clicked the link and read the article.

Emails among campaigns meeting this evening just outside Washington, D.C., to discuss the 2016 GOP primary debate structure moving forward, obtained exclusively by Breitbart News, prove that it was the campaign of Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC)45%
that invited highly controversial lawyer Ben Ginsberg to the gathering.


I was like "There's no way Graham is at 45% in any poll!" But then I saw that was his voting record as a "conservative." I wish we had the cash to bury Graham so bad that his senate re-election was put into jeopardy.
 
Sparks fly as campaigns dump RNC, take control of debates
November 2, 2015 | Steve Berman |

Chairman Reince Priebus and the Republican National Committee received a pink slip and a stinging rebuke from the candidates’ campaigns Sunday over its mishandling of the first three debates.

The campaigns decided that the RNC will no longer be in control of negotiations after a two-hour meeting at an Alexandria, Va. Hilton, Politico reported Sunday.

Priebus tried to stop the revolt by penning a stern letter to NBC and cancelling an upcoming partnership with Telemundo in February 2016, but it turned out to be too little too late. In the wake of the CNBC debate, which was widely seen as a debacle, pitting hostile, liberal moderators against the candidates, the campaigns had had enough.

Gail Gitcho, spokeswoman for Gov. Bobby Jindal and one of the meeting’s organizers, said she thought the meeting was productive, agreeing that “campaigns will now assume negotiation of format instead of the RNC.”

Some sparks flew between Jeb Bush’s and Donald Trump’s campaigns over the fate of the Telemundo debate. Danny Diaz, Bush’s campaign manager, said he wanted the debate reinstated.

Trump’s manager Corey Lewandowski snapped in reply “We don’t want that,” according to a person present at the meeting. “We won’t go.”

Among the items the campaigns agreed to are a two-hour time limit, 30 second opening and closing statements, and some control over the graphics the networks are allowed to use during debates. CNBC displayed a graphic during the last debate listing Bush’s past work as a financial consultant, while omitting his eight-year tenure as Florida governor.

The campaigns didn’t agree on how many candidates should be on stage at one time, with the lower-polling candidates pushing for inclusion on the main stage. Current frontrunner Ben Carson’s campaign also supported that, but the other top-polling campaigns did not agree.

The new arrangement, with the campaigns in control, will take effect after the next debate, which will be hosted by Fox Business on Nov. 10.

Fittingly, when the group wrapped up, Republican election attorney and power broker Ben Ginsberg tried to call Priebus to inform him of the decision—but instead of Priebus, he got the chairman’s voicemail. Listening hasn’t been the RNC’s strongest suit.



Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/11...-take-control-of-debates-270043#ixzz3qLXzlx00
 
...Fittingly, when the group wrapped up, Republican election attorney and power broker Ben Ginsberg tried to call Priebus to inform him of the decision—but instead of Priebus, he got the chairman’s voicemail. Listening hasn’t been the RNC’s strongest suit. http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/11...-take-control-of-debates-270043#ixzz3qLXzlx00

GOP CAMPAIGNS AGREE TO CUT RNC OUT OF DEBATE PROCESS, NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY WITH NETWORKS
by MATTHEW BOYLE 1 Nov 2015
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ate-process-negotiate-directly-with-networks/

Republican Campaigns Meet in an Effort to Alter Debates
By ASHLEY PARKER NOV. 1, 2015

...Ben Ginsberg, a top Republican lawyer and debate negotiator who was invited to serve as a facilitator at the meeting, is drafting a letter — without the R.N.C.’s input — that the campaigns plan to send to the networks within 48 hours. Mr. Ginsberg called the committee immediately after the meeting to convey the group’s next steps....
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/u...aigns-meet-in-an-effort-to-alter-debates.html

Now, they're supposedly cutting the RNC out of the debate process, but Ben Ginsberg is STILL involved!

It sounds to me like Rand Paul was not one of the candidates who took part in this meeting. None of the articles mention his name. I only see mention of Trump (mostly), Carson (2nd most), and the really low-pollers; Graham, Jindal, Santorum... Why is that?

I'm waiting to hear what Rand has to say about this debate meeting.
 
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So Lindsey appears to have no intention of dropping out. I don't understand what he thinks he's accomplishing. There's already enough war hawks running. He's cringe-worthy to watch. Very awkward on stage.
 
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