Ben Carson on Guns

[ronpaulhawaii]

Edit- Didn't check date of OP - is a year old. See discussion below

Looks like his minutes of fame might be shorter than expected...

Appearing on Glenn Beck‘s radio show this past week, Dr. Benjamin Carson took a vastly different stance from most conservatives on the issue of gun control, claiming you shouldn’t be able to own semi-automatic weapons in large cities.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/conserva...ht-to-semi-automatic-weapons-in-large-cities/

 

[specsaregood]

That's from over a year ago, IIRC he has since changed his position on the subject. jmdrake posted about it.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

arrgghhh... hate when I neglect to check dates...

Changed his position huh? Hmmm...

 

[William Tell]

arrgghhh... hate when I neglect to check dates...

Changed his position huh? Hmmm...

More like 'clarified' methinks, I am not sold. But we shall see how he claims to stand come debate season.

 

[brushfire]

Yup - Carson: go fk yourself. Bud nipped.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That's from over a year ago, IIRC he has since changed his position on the subject. jmdrake posted about it.

I was about to say, "He's back to that crap again??"

Yeah, he has changed positions remarkably around guns in the last year. It remains to be seen whether it's a genuine conversion, (it's quite possible that he's never really thought much at all about guns until 18 months ago, and now he is just finding his position) or whether he's just trying to mollify the right.

 

[Christian Liberty]

The more I've thought about it, the less I think freedom is actually POSSIBLE in these large cities. So many people brushing shoulders naturally leads to collectivism. Mind you, I don't agree with this law, and I'm still MORALLY opposed to statism but I do question if anything but statism actually CAN exist in these cities.

 

[jjdoyle]

From February this year:

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

The more I've thought about it, the less I think freedom is actually POSSIBLE in these large cities. So many people brushing shoulders naturally leads to collectivism. Mind you, I don't agree with this law, and I'm still MORALLY opposed to statism but I do question if anything but statism actually CAN exist in these cities.

Are you saying the world is overpopulated ?

 

[Republicanguy]

It is, we won't be free from disease, pollution, resource depletion in our lives. We do live on a finite planet. In our future economics will have to change. I'm notsure how humankind will live a century from now.

 

[CaptUSA]

Yeah, he has changed positions remarkably around guns in the last year. It remains to be seen whether it's a genuine conversion, (it's quite possible that he's never really thought much at all about guns until 18 months ago, and now he is just finding his position) or whether he's just trying to mollify the right.

Here's the thing. When speaking in the theoretical, he has always been pro-gun. From the stand point of the population having fire arms to protect themselves from an overbearing government, he has always been on the right side.

The difference comes from his practical experience with guns. Remember, he grew up in the hoods. Growing up, his experience with guns (and drugs for that matter) were from the criminal element. Pushers, gang-bangers, and miscreants. When you grow up associating those types of people with guns and drugs, it's a hard thing to overcome.

So, you get this sort of conflicting sentiment from him. He wants to preserve the right to bear arms because he knows how important it is, but he also wants to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Jefferson said he'd rather deal with the consequences of too much freedom than the consequences of too little. When you live in the inner city, you have to deal with both of those consequences in extreme measure.

So, I understand where Carson's coming from here. It's an issue that I don't think he'll ever be able to come around 100% on. That being said, I'm willing to give him a little leeway. I don't think he'll ever be in a position to affect these laws, anyway, and he's pretty damned good on a lot of other issues.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Are you saying the world is overpopulated ?

No, just that too many people being packed into a small space leads quickly to collectivism. I don't personally like cities. I don't expect the entire world to ever be free at the same time.

 

[KCIndy]

It is, we won't be free from disease, pollution, resource depletion in our lives. We do live on a finite planet. In our future economics will have to change. I'm notsure how humankind will live a century from now.

In 1914, the world's population was 1.7 billion people. Today, the number is over 7.1 billion. In another hundred years? Homo Sapiens is a pretty tough and adaptable species. I'm guessing we'll survive.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

In 1914, the world's population was 1.7 billion people. Today, the number is over 7.1 billion. In another hundred years? Homo Sapiens is a pretty tough and adaptable species. I'm guessing we'll survive.

Word is with anticipated advances in science we should be able to support nearly 50 Bn people on this planet. I hope by then offworld colonization is an option.

 

[jmdrake]

Here's the thing. When speaking in the theoretical, he has always been pro-gun. From the stand point of the population having fire arms to protect themselves from an overbearing government, he has always been on the right side.

The difference comes from his practical experience with guns. Remember, he grew up in the hoods. Growing up, his experience with guns (and drugs for that matter) were from the criminal element. Pushers, gang-bangers, and miscreants. When you grow up associating those types of people with guns and drugs, it's a hard thing to overcome.

So, you get this sort of conflicting sentiment from him. He wants to preserve the right to bear arms because he knows how important it is, but he also wants to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Jefferson said he'd rather deal with the consequences of too much freedom than the consequences of too little. When you live in the inner city, you have to deal with both of those consequences in extreme measure.

So, I understand where Carson's coming from here. It's an issue that I don't think he'll ever be able to come around 100% on. That being said, I'm willing to give him a little leeway. I don't think he'll ever be in a position to affect these laws, anyway, and he's pretty damned good on a lot of other issues.

This! My own early experience with guns was one relative pointing a shotgun at another relative and the second relative going and getting a hunting rifle and me talking the second relative out of killing the first relative. I was SIX at the time. For a long time I was solidly anti gun. Now I'm pro second amendment though I still don't own a gun myself. I was listening to talk radio the other night and someone was talking about how their new 10 mm bullet was better crafted for tearing up flesh and bone and I thought to myself "Who sits around and thinks up this stuff?" The fact that the radio host said "This bullet sounds really good for law enforcement" made me physically ill.

I believe Carson's main objective at the prayer breakfast was not to become a political candidate but to take the best opportunity to talk about things that really bothered him, namely the mistake that is nationalization of healthcare and the problem of political correctness. Since then people are trying to pin him down on everything from gun control to gay marriage. It's fair because there are people pushing him to run for president. But that wasn't his initial goal. I still don't think he has any illusions about becoming president, but he isn't going away because he sees this as an evangelical opportunity. Kind of like Ron Paul...but more literal.

 

[jmdrake]

I was about to say, "He's back to that crap again??"

Yeah, he has changed positions remarkably around guns in the last year. It remains to be seen whether it's a genuine conversion, (it's quite possible that he's never really thought much at all about guns until 18 months ago, and now he is just finding his position) or whether he's just trying to mollify the right.

Pretty much. His personal experience with guns has likely been negative up to this point. As a kid he saw the thugs misuse them. As an adult working in an inner city hospital he's had to see the tragic results of gun violence. In the large gun violence is not something that can be solved through regulation. But it's tempting to think "In this situation this little kid might not have been killed by a stray bullet if....."

 

[Republicanguy]

In 1914, the world's population was 1.7 billion people. Today, the number is over 7.1 billion. In another hundred years? Homo Sapiens is a pretty tough and adaptable species. I'm guessing we'll survive.

Only if a future American leader while in office takes the time using science to work out the reality. The state of the current world living for people isn't sustainable. Cheap crude oil, and other resources have made it possible for this growth, in a world with diminishing returns on energy, it is seriously questionable.

George W asked what's sex life after fifty, decades ago, source from his memoirs Decision points. I never thought I'd hear that from his own words, via youtube. Thirty six minutes into it.

Hell that coitus needs to be re looked, damn liberals, but this is such a taboo from all sides.

 

[pessimist]

I didn't even know who this guy even was until recently. I mean, I heard his name before and seen a clip of him talking about Adrian Petersen a few months ago, but had no idea he was a big deal in the Republican party.

 

[jmdrake]

I didn't even know who this guy even was until recently. I mean, I heard his name before and seen a clip of him talking about Adrian Petersen a few months ago, but had no idea he was a big deal in the Republican party.

I just went back and looked up Ben Carson's famous surgery. It was 1987. I was a freshman in college. It's hard to believe it's been that long! Carson got well deserved rock star treatment back then. But I can imagine that someone not born until later might not know that much about him.

 

[CaptUSA]

I just went back and looked up Ben Carson's famous surgery. It was 1987. I was a freshman in college. It's hard to believe it's been that long! Carson got well deserved rock star treatment back then. But I can imagine that someone not born until later might not know that much about him.

I remember that. It was on the news shows back then (60 minutes, 20/20, etc.). Separating twins joined at the head was like landing on the moon. He had a 50 man crew and worked for over 20 straight hours. It all had to be choreographed and practiced to make sure everyone was in the right place at exactly the right time. It was really an astounding feat.