Ayn Rand calls Libertarians "monstrous, disgusting bunch of people"

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Q: What do you think of the Libertarian movement? [FHF: “The Moratorium on Brains,” 1971]

AR: All kinds of people today call themselves “libertarians,” especially something calling itself the New Right, which consists of hippies, except that they’re anarchists instead of collectivists. But of course, anarchists are collectivists. Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet they want to combine capitalism and anarchism. That is worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It’s a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism, because those jobs are already taken. But anarchism is a logical outgrowth of the anti-intellectual side of collectivism. I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect. The anarchist is the scum of the intellectual world of the left, which has given them up. So the right picks up another leftist discard. That’s the Libertarian movement.

Q: What do you think of the Libertarian Party? [FHF: “A Nation’s Unity,” 1972]

AR: I’d rather vote for Bob Hope, the Marx Brothers, or Jerry Lewis. I don’t think they’re as funny as Professor Hospers and the Libertarian Party. If, at a time like this, John Hospers takes ten votes away from Nixon (which I doubt he’ll do), it would be a moral crime. I don’t care about Nixon, and I care even less about Hospers. But this is no time to engage in publicity seeking, which all these crank political parties are doing. If you want to spread your ideas, do it through education. But don’t run for President—or even dogcatcher—if you’re going to help McGovern.

Q: What is your position on the Libertarian Party? [FHF: “Censorship: Local and Express,” 1973]

AR: I don’t want to waste too much time on it. It’s a cheap attempt at publicity, which Libertarians won’t get. Today’s events, particularly Watergate, should teach anyone with amateur political notions that they cannot rush into politics in order to get publicity. The issue is so serious today, that to form a new party based in part on half-baked ideas, and in part on borrowed ideas—I won’t say from whom—is irresponsible, and in today’s context, nearly immoral.

Q: Libertarians advocate the politics you advocate. So why are you opposed to the Libertarian Party? [FHF: “Egalitarianism and Inflation,” 1974]

AR:They are not defenders of capitalism. They’re a group of publicity seekers who rush into politics prematurely, because they allegedly want to educate people through a political campaign, which can’t be done. Further, their leadership consists of men of every of persuasion, from religious conservatives to anarchists. Moreover, most of them are my enemies: they spend their time denouncing me, while plagiarizing my ideas. Now, I think it’s a bad beginning for an allegedly pro-capitalist party to start by stealing ideas.

Q: Have you ever heard of [Libertarian presidential candidate] Roger MacBride? [FHF: “?” 1976]

AR: My answer should be, “I haven’t.” There’s nothing to hear. I have been maintaining in everything I have said and written, that the trouble in the world today is philosophical; that only the right philosophy can save us. Now here is a party that plagiarizes some of my ideas, mixes it with the exact opposite—with religionists, anarchists, and just about every intellectual misfit and scum they can find—and they call themselves Libertarians, and run for office. I dislike Reagan and Carter; I’m not too enthusiastic about the other candidates. But the worst of them are giants compared to anybody who would attempt something as un-philosophical, low, and pragmatic as the Libertarian Party. It is the last insult to ideas and philosophical consistency.

Q: Do you think Libertarians communicate the ideas of freedom and capitalism effectively? [Q&A following LP’s “Objective Communication,” Lecture 1, 1980]

AR: I don’t think plagiarists are effective. I’ve read nothing by a Libertarian (when I read them, in the early years) that wasn’t my ideas badly mishandled—i.e., had the teeth pulled out of them—with no credit given. I didn’t know whether I should be glad that no credit was given, or disgusted. I felt both. They are perhaps the worst political group today, because they can do the most harm to capitalism, by making it disreputable.

Q: Why don’t you approve of the Libertarians, thousands of whom are loyal readers of your works? [FHF: “The Age of Mediocrity,” 1981]

AR: Because Libertarians are a monstrous, disgusting bunch of people: they plagiarize my ideas when that fits their purpose, and they denounce me in a more vicious manner than any communist publication, when that fits their purpose. They are lower than any pragmatists, and what they hold against Objectivism is morality. They’d like to have an amoral political program.

Q: The Libertarians are providing intermediate steps toward your goals. Why don’t you support them? [Ibid., 1981]

AR: Please don’t tell me they’re pursuing my goals. I have not asked for, nor do I accept, the help of intellectual cranks. I want philosophically educated people: those who understand ideas, care about ideas, and spread the right ideas. That’s how my philosophy will spread, just as philosophy has throughout all history: by means of people who understand and teach it to others. Further, it should be clear that I do not endorse the filthy slogan, “The end justifies the means.” That was originated by the Jesuits, and accepted enthusiastically by Communists and Nazis. The end does not justify the means; you cannot achieve anything good by evil means. Finally, the Libertarians aren’t worthy of being the means to any end, let alone the end of spreading Objectivism.
 
Yeah. Ron has said she didn't think much of libertarians. He found her very intelligent and said he took her newsletter as long as she printed it, in order to hone his own arguments and wit, and to make sure he still had the better argument to his own mind. He wasn't an objectivist, and isn't. He believes in charity.
 
Ayn Rand on "Libertarians"


For the record, I shall repeat what I have said many times before: I do not join or endorse any political group or movement. More specifically, I disapprove of, disagree with, and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called “hippies of the right,” who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultanteously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs.

- “Brief Summary,” The Objectivist, Sept. 1971, pg 1


Above all, do not join the wrong ideological groups or movements, in order to “do something.” By “ideological” (in this context), I mean groups or movements proclaiming some vaguely generalized, undefined (and, usually, contradictory) political goals. (E.g., the Conservative Party, which subordinates reason to faith, and substitutes theocracy for capitalism; or the “libertarian” hippies, who subordinate reason to whims, and substitute anarchism for capitalism.) To join such groups means to reverse the philosophical hierarchy and to sell out fundamental principles for the sake of some superficial political action which is bound to fail. It means that you help the defeat of your ideas and the victory of your enemies. (For a discussion of the reasons, see “The Anatomy of Compromise” in my book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.)

- “What Can One Do?” Philosophy: Who Needs It, pg 202


The "libertarians" . . . plagiarize Ayn Rand’s principle that no man may initiate the use of physical force, and treat it as a mystically revealed, out-of-context absolute . . . .

In the philosophical battle for a free society, the one crucial connection to be upheld is that between capitalism and reason. The religious conservatives are seeking to tie capitalism to mysticism; the “libertarians” are tying capitalism to the whim-worshipping subjectivism and chaos of anarchy. To cooperate with either group is to betray capitalism, reason, and one’s own future.​

- Harry Binswanger “Q & A Department: Anarchism,” The Objectivist Forum, Aug. 1981, pg 12
 
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Lots of claims, no substance. Ayn Rand might have been dealing with a different "brand" of anarchism or Libertarian Party in the 50s thru 70s, so maybe that could explain her disgust.
 
At the time and age the Libertarian party was still young and very new to the scene, and maybe she had a bad impression. Maybe today she would change her mind today, but nothing is sure. I'm not sure if her idea that libertarians are anarchists was correct for the time, but it certainly isn't correct today.
 
Rand wanted a giant military though. You need a big Federal government for that.
 
Politicians can't call for outright defunding it, but they can support making it smaller and getting out of conflicts.

Obama-Bush can't enforce all their laws and agendas without a large standing army to overpower the states. Secession is now impossible under such circumstances when it was previously somewhat possible.
 
Yeah. Ron has said she didn't think much of libertarians. He found her very intelligent and said he took her newsletter as long as she printed it, in order to hone his own arguments and wit, and to make sure he still had the better argument to his own mind. He wasn't an objectivist, and isn't. He believes in charity.

As if believing in charity disqualifies someone from being an objectivist. It doesn't.

PLAYBOY: Do you consider wealthy businessmen like the Fords and the Rockefellers immoral because they use their wealth to support charity?

RAND: No. That is their privilege, if they want to. My views on charity are very simple. I do not consider it a major virtue and, above all, I do not consider it a moral duty. There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them
 
Ron wants a giant defense :) not military.

Complete nonsense. Ron I think wants an appropriate amount of defense and with nuclear weapons at hand, its no where gigantic. Then again whoever said Ron was perfect, but as an anarcho capitalist, i am willing to settle for Ron. Remember the private sector does EVERYTHING better, cheaper, more efficiently than govt even in defense, police and fire fighting.
 
A "strong national defense" could mean allowing bearing arms though to defend against the president and could having nothing to do with arming the president with a massive standing army.

Just saying.

Just because you favor a strong national defense doesn't mean you support having a military. A president with a large standing army is more like a prison planet than anything to do with defense. Look what happened in Egypt. They got rid of the president and now they just have a large standing army without a president at all so its junta rule. The large standing army takes on a life of its own.
 
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A "strong national defense" could mean allowing bearing arms though to defend against the president and could having nothing to do with arming the president with a massive standing army.

Just saying.

Your point? That's a general point given in the Declaration of Independence.
 
My point is that just because Paul, or others for that matter, says he favors having a strong national defense does not mean he favors a standing army.

Having heavily armed state governments and individuals against Washington is a valid form of defense from the real threat (D.C.) More guns for Washington= weakness. Alternative power structures=strength.
 
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My point is that just because Paul, or others for that matter, says he favors having a strong national defense does not mean he favors a standing army.

Well, prove it. Show us where Ron Paul is against a standing army.
 
It's foolish to think a country can survive without a military.

Hey genius since when does not wanting a "giant military" mean no military at all? LMAO! Ron Paul is for a strong national defense.......imperialism is not the same thing as a strong national defense.
 
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