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May I make a suggestion?
I know if Ron were to get up on that stage at the next debate and just say a few things from his heart
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(I am not like all the rest of the candidates up on this stage, I am telling you theses things because I love my country and I love we the people. these things I say are from my heart not from my head your right I don’t have the polished rehearsed lines that you here from all the rest and I know I’m not as good looking as Mitt, but please please listen to me I am telling you the truth just do a little research and you will see I am telling the truth I am so afraid that this country is slipping away and I’m going to do everything a humble but strong man can do to save our country and bring back true freedom I will not give up)


I am posting this in hopes that we can improve on this as I am not a good writer, any help would greatly appreciated.
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There are some things he could say but remember, if he "breaks the rules" he will not be invited to any more debates.
 
I don't know about that but he does need to speak with more conviction and dumb it down some.

Think about when he said "I say it's time to come home!" during the debates

and when he said "We have allowed our nation to be overtaxed and over-regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, The founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with."

Those were powerful and completely clear messages.
 
PLEASE quit telling the good doctor how to do his job. You're trying to get him elected to run the COUNTRY! It's pretty insulting to insinuate that he's not capable of running his campaign.

Go hand out some slimjims, canvas, or do something that's appropriate for the grassroots, and quit trying to do HQs job for them.
 
PLEASE quit telling the good doctor how to do his job. You're trying to get him elected to run the COUNTRY! It's pretty insulting to insinuate that he's not capable of running his campaign.

Go hand out some slimjims, canvas, or do something that's appropriate for the grassroots, and quit trying to do HQs job for them.


I am not telling him anything I did say (May I make a suggestion?)
you have your thoughts and i have mine you know like freedom of speech
 
There are some things he could say but remember, if he "breaks the rules" he will not be invited to any more debates.

As a supporter that is in this to see him win the nomination, I have made it no secret that I don't believe this line of thinking is working. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but anybody that beleives we are going to get the nomination with 6-13% of the primary vote is seriously misguided. Even to be considered we must take 5 first place finishes. We can place 2nd in every remaining primary and it would make no difference- we lose.

If Dr. Paul doesn't start to show some real desire to fight for first in this thing, the window of this opportunity will only get smaller. It's great to be loyal and positive and I respect those that are. It may also be that those of us looking for a "spark " are just not seeing something in this strategy that the campaign is seeing. I can only look at the facts- and they concern me.

I've said this before, just like empires, most campaigns are forced out of a race for financial reasons. How many times has Huckabees and Giuliani's leaving been discussed due to their finances? Continued Financial backing comes from a growing support base. As that support base grows, usually the finances also grow. But if that base shrinks or stagnates, so does financial backing. I think it's clear that while our finances are better than some others, it is in recession compared to last quarter largely becuase our base isn't growing enough. The contributions decline becuase they rely upon the same pool that donates. But the pool has its limits. Some will reach their $2300 limit, others just reach the limt of what they can afford. Still others will give up on the cause if they beleive the casue will not succeed regardless of their contibution. This is why an expanding base is so important. This is why every opportunity to swing voters to our cause is so crucial. Yes, I thought Dr. Paul, when he was allowed to speak was great, but by restraining his time, our impact was minimized if not negated. If we take existing Paul supporters out of the equation and ask undecided voters or supporters of other candidates how he did, the overwelming majority of opinions would be unchanged. I have asked my peers and the only ones touting anything about this last debate are already Paul fans. What we're doing as a whole (grassroots and camapaign) does not appear to be working fast enough to get us the nomination.

There are people in this movement that will support this compaign regardless of performance. But it's a fact that there are others that will not. I believe this campaign will fail if it relies only upon the first group. As great as we are (and we are great and having some impact)- there just aren't enough of us to win this. I believe we the grassrotts can only do so much. It's one thing to get out there and sell something that sells itself. It's quite another to try and sell something that the masses have been conditioned to question. I don't think there is a person on these forums that doesn't beleive the MSM and the GOP have done a good job of conditioning the sheeple that our guy is at best- questionable.

The analogy I like (and it isn't mine) is that this is a dog fight. We probably have the nicest, sweetest, most trustworthy, time proven, loyal, best freind in this fight. He is the BEST dog in so many ways. BUT, in a dog fight- those traits only take you so far. To win, he must have some fire in his belly and the willingness to bite when required. He can be the best dog in the world, but without those 2 qualities, his has very little chance of winning against a viscious feild of mutts.

I am an advocate of changing what isn't working. I think he should have walked off that stage with some stearn, authoritative and perhaps even controversial sound bytes that begged further explanation. I think that type of event is too juicy not to cover and the resulting interviews and sound bytes should be equally as factual and "stirring". That approach would not alienate anyone that already beleives- it would energize us. I also beleive it would have done more to sway the non believers than the 6 minutes of air time they gave the poor little old grandpa (not my words).
 
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ahhaha dude... if ron walked off that stage everyone would have called him a big baby.

are you kidding, a presidential candidate having a hissy fit for time restraints on an msnbc debate? that would surely KILL his chances at getting the nom.




i dont think ron needs to dumb anything down either. he could be a little more assertive, but other than that, hes a great debater.
 
I don't know about that but he does need to speak with more conviction and dumb it down some.

Think about when he said "I say it's time to come home!" during the debates

and when he said "We have allowed our nation to be overtaxed and over-regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, The founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with."

Those were powerful and completely clear messages.

Exactly.
 
ahhaha dude... if ron walked off that stage everyone would have called him a big baby.

are you kidding, a presidential candidate having a hissy fit for time restraints on an msnbc debate? that would surely KILL his chances at getting the nom.

Ok- think about what you just said. Honestly, would you have called him a big baby? I would bet not.

Would any substantial portion of his support base have called him a big baby? I think not.

The only other question becomes: Would that action have helped or hurt his campaign more so than what did happen?

I beleive- fundraising would have improved. Agree?

I beleive what did happen in the debate, didn't help or hurt him with undecided voters. I believe an act like this on principle -not walking off pouting, but an authoritative principled statement that HEY- I am a candidate for the presidency of the united states- I will not allow you to disprespect me, the people or this process,m and you should be ashamed for trying. That I beleive would have been more effective than what we got.
 
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I agree with some of what you said

As a supporter that is in this to see him win the nomination, I have made it no secret that I don't believe this line of thinking is working. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but anybody that beleives we are going to get the nomination with 6-13% of the primary vote is seriously misguided. Even to be considered we must take 5 first place finishes. We can place 2nd in every remaining primary and it would make no difference- we lose.

If Dr. Paul doesn't start to show some real desire to fight for first in this thing, the window of this opportunity will only get smaller. It's great to be loyal and positive and I respect those that are. It may also be that those of us looking for a "spark " are just not seeing something in this strategy that the campaign is seeing. I can only look at the facts- and they concern me.

I've said this before, just like empires, most campaigns are forced out of a race for financial reasons. How many times has Huckabees and Giuliani's leaving been discussed due to their finances? Continued Financial backing comes from a growing support base. As that support base grows, usually the finances also grow. But if that base shrinks or stagnates, so does financial backing. I think it's clear that while our finances are better than some others, it is in recession compared to last quarter largely becuase our base isn't growing enough. The contributions decline becuase they rely upon the same pool that donates. But the pool has its limits. Some will reach their $2300 limit, others just reach the limt of what they can afford. Still others will give up on the cause if they beleive the casue will not succeed regardless of their contibution. This is why an expanding base is so important. This is why every opportunity to swing voters to our cause is so crucial. Yes, I thought Dr. Paul, when he was allowed to speak was great, but by restraining his time, our impact was minimized if not negated. If we take existing Paul supporters out of the equation and ask undecided voters or supporters of other candidates how he did, the overwelming majority of opinions would be unchanged. I have asked my peers and the only ones touting anything about this last debate are already Paul fans. What we're doing as a whole (grassroots and camapaign) does not appear to be working fast enough to get us the nomination.

There are people in this movement that will support this compaign regardless of performance. But it's a fact that there are others that will not. I believe this campaign will fail if it relies only upon the first group. As great as we are (and we are great and having some impact)- there just aren't enough of us to win this. I believe we the grassrotts can only do so much. It's one thing to get out there and sell something that sells itself. It's quite another to try and sell something that the masses have been conditioned to question. I don't think there is a person on these forums that doesn't beleive the MSM and the GOP have done a good job of conditioning the sheeple that our guy is at best- questionable.

The analogy I like (and it isn't mine) is that this is a dog fight. We probably have the nicest, sweetest, most trustworthy, time proven, loyal, best freind in this fight. He is the BEST dog in so many ways. BUT, in a dog fight- those traits only take you so far. To win, he must have some fire in his belly and the willingness to bite when required. He can be the best dog in the world, but without those 2 qualities, his has very little chance of winning against a viscious feild of mutts.

I am an advocate of changing what isn't working. I think he should have walked off that stage with some stearn, authoritative and perhaps even controversial sound bytes that begged further explanation. I think that type of event is too juicy not to cover and the resulting interviews and sound bytes should be equally as factual and "stirring". That approach would not alienate anyone that already beleives- it would energize us. I also beleive it would have done more to sway the non believers than the 6 minutes of air time they gave the poor little old grandpa (not my words).

I agree with some of what you said, but this is not the point, the point is to be as heart felt as possible to say the words with conviction to let the people know that what you say is in an effort to save the country from cretin doom, but it has to be given with such emotion as to move peoples hearts to make them believe in something more, more than the MSM, more than them selves more than lies and deceit. Like I said I am not a good writer I wish I was so the goal her is to get some feed back and to get some one to help with a short speech can anyone help me with this? And if we get just the right words I will do my best to promote it to campaign headquarters.
 
I agree with some of what you said, but this is not the point, the point is to be as heart felt as possible to say the words with conviction to let the people know that what you say is in an effort to save the country from cretin doom, but it has to be given with such emotion as to move peoples hearts to make them believe in something more, more than the MSM, more than them selves more than lies and deceit. Like I said I am not a good writer I wish I was so the goal her is to get some feed back and to get some one to help with a short speech can anyone help me with this? And if we get just the right words I will do my best to promote it to campaign headquarters.

I respect what your trying to do. Many of us also believe something has to be done, beyond what we're already doing to "change hearts and minds" . I like your idea, but my opinion doesn't matter. I will tell you there is a section for "campaign suggestions" but it rarely gets visited. Despite our best intentions, the best speach in the world will not get a consensus of approval here, and getting the campaign to adopt it will be even harder. I wish you well on your efforts though. And I hope people like us are wrong and that the campaign knows more than we do. We'll know shortly since Super Tuesday should give us some idea of this campaigns success or failure.
 
As a supporter that is in this to see him win the nomination, I have made it no secret that I don't believe this line of thinking is working. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but anybody that beleives we are going to get the nomination with 6-13% of the primary vote is seriously misguided. Even to be considered we must take 5 first place finishes. We can place 2nd in every remaining primary and it would make no difference- we lose.

If Dr. Paul doesn't start to show some real desire to fight for first in this thing, the window of this opportunity will only get smaller. It's great to be loyal and positive and I respect those that are. It may also be that those of us looking for a "spark " are just not seeing something in this strategy that the campaign is seeing. I can only look at the facts- and they concern me.

I've said this before, just like empires, most campaigns are forced out of a race for financial reasons. How many times has Huckabees and Giuliani's leaving been discussed due to their finances? Continued Financial backing comes from a growing support base. As that support base grows, usually the finances also grow. But if that base shrinks or stagnates, so does financial backing. I think it's clear that while our finances are better than some others, it is in recession compared to last quarter largely becuase our base isn't growing enough. The contributions decline becuase they rely upon the same pool that donates. But the pool has its limits. Some will reach their $2300 limit, others just reach the limt of what they can afford. Still others will give up on the cause if they beleive the casue will not succeed regardless of their contibution. This is why an expanding base is so important. This is why every opportunity to swing voters to our cause is so crucial. Yes, I thought Dr. Paul, when he was allowed to speak was great, but by restraining his time, our impact was minimized if not negated. If we take existing Paul supporters out of the equation and ask undecided voters or supporters of other candidates how he did, the overwelming majority of opinions would be unchanged. I have asked my peers and the only ones touting anything about this last debate are already Paul fans. What we're doing as a whole (grassroots and camapaign) does not appear to be working fast enough to get us the nomination.

There are people in this movement that will support this compaign regardless of performance. But it's a fact that there are others that will not. I believe this campaign will fail if it relies only upon the first group. As great as we are (and we are great and having some impact)- there just aren't enough of us to win this. I believe we the grassrotts can only do so much. It's one thing to get out there and sell something that sells itself. It's quite another to try and sell something that the masses have been conditioned to question. I don't think there is a person on these forums that doesn't beleive the MSM and the GOP have done a good job of conditioning the sheeple that our guy is at best- questionable.

The analogy I like (and it isn't mine) is that this is a dog fight. We probably have the nicest, sweetest, most trustworthy, time proven, loyal, best freind in this fight. He is the BEST dog in so many ways. BUT, in a dog fight- those traits only take you so far. To win, he must have some fire in his belly and the willingness to bite when required. He can be the best dog in the world, but without those 2 qualities, his has very little chance of winning against a viscious feild of mutts.

I am an advocate of changing what isn't working. I think he should have walked off that stage with some stearn, authoritative and perhaps even controversial sound bytes that begged further explanation. I think that type of event is too juicy not to cover and the resulting interviews and sound bytes should be equally as factual and "stirring". That approach would not alienate anyone that already beleives- it would energize us. I also beleive it would have done more to sway the non believers than the 6 minutes of air time they gave the poor little old grandpa (not my words).

All very good points, but as I see it Ron Paul is still trying to work within the Republican party in the attempt to move it back to its traditional, Conservative roots. As long as this is his goals he has to abide by some of the rules, even if they disadvantage him.

If he decides to go the third party route then it might be time to change tactics to be more combative and sensationalist, but given he's already done this once before with no success, I doubt he'll try it again.

But I'm backing Ron Paul all the way, and I'll take my cues from him as long as he's willing to lead this rEVOLution. Should he lose the nomination and only get re-elected to Congress he can still be very influential if he has many 10's of thousands of supporters who will flood their Representatives with phone calls and emails telling them to vote like Ron Paul.

So for all the fair-weather supporters who will abandon Ron Paul's campaign if they aren't 100% sure he will win, remember this.

IT'S THE CONSTITUTION, NOT THE MAN!

That's the real goal, is to return the United States to a Country that actually follows it's own laws and where the politicians who swear an oath to uphold the Constitution actually mean it. This goal will take longer than a few months, and maybe longer than Ron Paul's political career. Nevertheless, this is the ultimate goal of the rEVOLution, not just getting Ron Paul elected President.

Are you with us?
 
There are some things he could say but remember, if he "breaks the rules" he will not be invited to any more debates.

Well, if it's like the BOCA RATON, FL debate on MSNBC... who cares?

That debate was incredibly biased with MANCHURIAN MITT RECEIVING 3x's and the rest 2x's the TIME/VISIBILITY!

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