"Atheism" is an Irrational Religion

[Theocrat]

"Atheists" cannot know for sure there is no God, so all they can do is believe there is no God. Since "atheists" cannot prove the nonexistence of something, they have to believe in something which has no evidence to back it up. Therefore, "atheism" is a religion based on a belief which has no evidence for it to be true, and for that reason, it is the most irrational of all belief systems in history.

 

[ClayTrainor]

I agree Theo, especially with your thread title. However, i think it's equally as irrational as Christianity, in many ways, but we can save that debate for another day, haha. We've been over it

If atheist means, certainty there is no higher power or form of existence, than i am against that.

I am essentially against religion, but i'm not against spirituality and rational discussions on the nature of things and existence.

 

[YumYum]

"Atheists" cannot know for sure there is no God, so all they can do is believe there is no God. Since "atheists" cannot prove the nonexistence of something, they have to believe in something which has no evidence to back it up. Therefore, "atheism" is a religion based on a belief which has no evidence for it to be true, and for that reason, it is the most irrational of all belief systems in history.

I am going to assume from your moniker and from Clay's comment you have debated this idea of yours. I am not an atheist, but actually a Jesus person/ agnostic. Atheists don't have to prove anything:YOU DO!! Extrordinary claims demand extrordinary evidence. All the atheist wants you to do is provide the extrordinary evidence. There are people on this board who believe in reptilians, and there are people on this board who do not. Can you call those that do not believe in shape shifting reptilians "irrational?"

 

[Theocrat]

Two-Way Street

I am going to assume from your moniker and from Clay's comment you have debated this idea of yours. I am not an atheist, but actually a Jesus person/ agnostic. Atheists don't have to prove anything:YOU DO!! Extrordinary claims demand extrordinary evidence. All the atheist wants you to do is provide the extrordinary evidence. There are people on this board who believe in reptilians, and there are people on this board who do not. Can you call those that do not believe in shape shifting reptilians "irrational?"

The claim that there is no God is an extraordinary claim, especially given the fact that there is so much evidence of God around us. The burden of proof is on the "atheists," too, to show that their view is true and correct. Otherwise, they are just being arbitrary, and by extension, irrational.

 

[LDA]

"Atheists" cannot know for sure there is no God, so all they can do is believe there is no God.

Atheists cannot know for sure that there is no God, you're correct. Most atheists don't even claim to know with absolute certainty. Similarly, they cannot know that there are no invisible unicorns in their closet. It's impossible to know, for sure, the non-existence of something.

Since "atheists" cannot prove the nonexistence of something, they have to believe in something which has no evidence to back it up.

Unfortunately, you're wrong that atheists have to believe in something that has no evidence. You don't need evidence to not believe in something. There's no claim being made. As an atheist, I haven't made any unsupported claims. I've simply said that I'll only claim to believe something that manifests, i.e. can be sensed in some way. God does not manifest.

Therefore, "atheism" is a religion based on a belief which has no evidence for it to be true, and for that reason, it is the most irrational of all belief systems in history.

Atheism is not considered a religion. It has no doctrine. It's simply the lack of a belief. Again, there is no unsupported assertion being made with atheism. I don't have to believe anything on faith. There's nothing irrational about not believing in something that has no evidence to support it.

 

[YumYum]

Theocrat, I have a question for you. Do you believe that Catholic Church is the true Church of God?

 

[constituent]

I agree Theo, especially with your thread title. However, i think it's equally as irrational as Christianity, in many ways, but we can save that debate for another day, haha. We've been over it

Religions are rational. Atheism is rational.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I have seen this all before.

The theists among us know that atheism has the backing of logic, reason, and science.

So what they try to do is place atheism and theism on the same setting, usually by proxy. They try to claim atheism is a religion, that science is a religion, that evolution is a religion. All just attempts to drag these things down to the level of religious irrational belief.

Then they try to place religion at the level of science. Creationism, intelligent design, scientific theory of creation, creation museum, the Discovery Institute. All kinds of bullshit. All just attempts to legitimize their beliefs by calling it science.

 

[ClayTrainor]

I have seen this all before.

The theists among us know that atheism has the backing of logic, reason, and science.

So what they try to do is place atheism and theism on the same setting, usually by proxy. They try to claim atheism is a religion, that science is a religion, that evolution is a religion. All just attempts to drag these things down to the level of religious irrational belief.

Then they try to place religion at the level of science. Creationism, intelligent design, scientific theory of creation, creation museum, the Discovery Institute. All kinds of bullshit. All just attempts to legitimize their beliefs by calling it science.

YouTube - Atheists are stupid

I approve of this kind of logical atheism

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Although i agree with much of what you're saying here, i do think many atheists are very closed minded because of their opposition to individual spirituality, as you have proven over and over again. I think the following atheist, explains why the MRS style of atheists are silly.

I approve of this kind of logical atheism

I see. So you think that atheist should just shut up and mind their own business.

 

[ClayTrainor]

I see. So you think that atheist should just shut up and mind their own business.

Not at all... I just think atheists are too certain that we aren't a part of something bigger, and always have been and will be. The certainty that there is nothing bigger than what we have so far perceived, is what i oppose.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Not at all... I just think atheists are too certain that we aren't a part of something bigger, and always have been and will be.

The meaning of life is a peanut butter sandwich.

Do you believe me? And if not, why are you so certain that its not?

 

[ClayTrainor]

The meaning of life is a peanut butter sandwich.

Do you believe me?

Yes

And if not, why are you so certain that its not?

Because, the meaning of life is what you make it. You are in control.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

and for the record, agnosticism is not a claim of religious belief. Its a claim on philosophy of knowledge.

Once you have declared yourself to be an agnostic, you still have to be either an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist.

 

[ClayTrainor]

and for the record, agnosticism is not a claim of religious belief. Its a claim on philosophy of knowledge.

Once you have declared yourself to be an agnostic, you still have to be either an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist.

interesting... i'm really not sure what to label myself to be honest.

I don't like labels.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

interesting... i'm really not sure what to label myself to be honest.

I don't like labels.

thats only because you are afraid of criticism and argument. You like to dance around issues, fading in and out between positions.

Its not even that hard of a question. Do you believe claim x is true? Its a simple yes or no answer.

 

[ClayTrainor]

thats only because you are afraid of criticism and argument. You like to dance around issues, fading in and out between positions.

If that were true, i wouldn't put my positions open for debate on this forum, all the freaking time.

I just don't like being thrown into groups, when i often find individuals within those groups who i don't agree with at all.

I don't believe in certainty in groups.

Its not even that hard of a question. Do you believe claim x is true? Its a simple yes or no answer.

But God can be defined in so many ways. If God is defined as the force responsible for existence as it is, than i would answer yes. If he's defined as the supernatural being in ancient books written by men, i would answer no.

 

[muzzled dogg]

it's more rational to believe that a wizard did it

 

[pacelli]

Extrordinary claims demand extrordinary evidence. All the atheist wants you to do is provide the extrordinary evidence.

That's a great point that depends on one's pre-existing perception. To me, to assert that God does not exist is an extraordinary claim. To an atheist, to assert that God exists is an extraordinary claim. All the non-atheist wants you to do is provide the extraordinary evidence. Yet, the next point in the debate from the atheist becomes, "you cannot prove a negative". If one cannot prove a negative, then why believe something that one cannot prove?

 

[TortoiseDream]

"Atheists" cannot know for sure there is no God, so all they can do is believe there is no God. Since "atheists" cannot prove the nonexistence of something, they have to believe in something which has no evidence to back it up. Therefore, "atheism" is a religion based on a belief which has no evidence for it to be true, and for that reason, it is the most irrational of all belief systems in history.

All religion, including atheism, is both rational and irrational. Rational because it's clear that we should expect one to put faith in something, whether it is God, or reason, or astrology. It is irrational because, by definition, no one can justify their faith. For this reason I don't understand the idea of disregarding one faith and pursuing another. I have faith in all, thus I have faith in nothing.