Are you a Constitutionalist or an Anarchist?

[Dr.3D]

I think it might be interesting to know how we stand when it comes to the division in these forums as to who is an Anarchist versus who is a Constitutionalist.

Please vote in this poll so we will know how we stand on this issue.

Please view the video in post #2 before you vote.

 

[FrankRep]

For the Anarchists: We are a Constitutional Republic.


YouTube - The American Form of Government

 

[rp08orbust]

I would have voted "Minarchist" or "Constitutionalist" only a year or even six months ago, but in hindsight, I've been on a journey from conservative statist to anarcho-capitalist for 15 years. If you truly believe in "individual sovereignty", there's nowhere else to go.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Poll contains a false alternative. An anarchist is simply someone who is able to live without government intrusions and chooses to do so. The Constitution is so great because it allows anarchists to coexist with statists.

When an anarchist seeks to destroy someone else's government, he becomes a tyrant trying to force his own "government" on others. The only way for an anarchist to remain a pure anarchist is to remove government from his own sphere while allowing others to have their government as well.
If said government becomes intrusive on the anarchist, he must work with his peers to consensually or by way of majority vote remove that government influence from his life--not to downplay the importance of civil disobedience.

Any pure anarchist would tend to be a Constitutionalist as well.

 

[Brassmouth]

For the Anarchists: We are a Constitutional Republic

 

[South Park Fan]

Anarcho-capitalist, although a true anarchist wouldn't vote.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

I think it might be interesting to know how we stand when it comes to the division in these forums as to who is an Anarchist versus who is a Constitutionalist.

Please vote in this poll so we will know how we stand on this issue.

Aren't there some minarchists who don't worship the constitution, and would opt for a different government? You should have included three options: constitutionalist, minarchist, and anarchist. Surely there must be plenty of minarchists on this board who think we can do better than the constitution, a system that already failed.

For the Anarchists: We are a Constitutional Republic.

YouTube - The American Form of Government

We've heard this dogma before. In reality the US government has elements of authoritarianism, fascism, kleptocracy, meritocracy, plutocracy, socialism, and totalitarianism. These co-exist with its being a constitutional federal republic with representative democracy. That video misrepresents anarcho-capitalism using a strawman, the guy who made that video has probably never even heard of anarcho-capitalism. It was cute when he starting talking about anarchy, they showed clips of war and a bus crashing in to a tree. The chaos depicted in the video could be attributed to statism, we have all witnessed the utilization of the "problem-reaction-solution" tool by statists to increase their own power, the "anarchists" in the video who rose to power were not anarchists at all. "In a civilized society people have always hired a guardian / law man". Yes, but they do not have to grant those people a monopoly power over them. And I disagree with the political spectrum used in that video, its not very accurate/useful, I'd go with the nolan chart.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

For the Anarchists: We are a Constitutional Republic.


YouTube - The American Form of Government

for FrankRep: only in theory! In practice, we've got ourselves a Leviathan State.

 

[Pod]

Please view the video in post #2 before you vote.

Why?

First you ask us what we are, but before we say it you want to lecture us some?

 

[Dr.3D]

Why?

First you ask us what we are, but before we say it you want to lecture us some?

I want to make sure you understand the question.

 

[FrankRep]

for FrankRep: only in theory! In practice, we've got ourselves a Leviathan State.

If America went into Anarchy how long could it actually last until being invaded by Mexico, Russia, China, and every other country who would like to own a chunk of this country?

 

[South Park Fan]

If America went into Anarchy how long could it actually last until being invaded by Mexico, Russia, China, and every other country who would like to own a chunk of this country?

Do you really think they'd be foolish enough to invade a country with 80 million gun owners and no government to obtain a surrender from?

 

[rp08orbust]

If America went into Anarchy how long could it actually last until being invaded by Mexico, Russia, China, and every other country who would like to own a chunk of this country?

How did the colonists ever repel an invasion by the world's greatest empire without the US government?

Getting itself re-invaded by Britain was one of the first accomplishments of the new US government.

 

[Epic]

Defense via voluntary cooperation is even better than a centralized military

 

[Master]

Was converted to an Anarcho-Capitalist just recently.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

You gotta be fucking kidding me.... All the mainstream Paul supporters have vanished to be replaced with a fucking anarcho debatatarian society. No wonder this place is going to hell.

 

[Crash Martinez]

As the Bible doesn't allow anarchy, I cannot be a thoroughgoing anarchist, though under my own fallible wisdom, that would probably otherwise be my inclination.

If total anarchism can be proven to me to be compatible with biblical Christianity, then I'm there.

As it stands, though, I'm compelled to be a Minarchist. Within the Minarchist sphere, a constitutional republic seems to be one possible option - though seriously flawed, it sure would be a lot better than what we have here and now. But I'm by no means so devoted to constitutional republicanism as to call myself a constitutionalist.

I think that, in whatever form it may take, a government, by consent of the governed, that exists SOLELY for the purpose of defending all people's equal rights to life, liberty, and property (and is therefore funded not by taxes but by voluntary donations), is on the whole acceptable.

The problems of force and violence plague anarchy as much as minarchy, monarchy, republicanism, and empire -- though clearly we should strive for as small a stage as possible on which violent people can be capable of acting. This is because the problems of force and violence plague human nature itself, and no political system can erradicate them.

Just thoughts.

 

[Dr.3D]

You gotta be fucking kidding me.... All the mainstream Paul supporters have vanished to be replaced with a fucking anarcho debatatarian society. No wonder this place is going to hell.

LOL, this is why I started this thread. I wanted to know what was happening to the Liberty Forest Forums.

 

[Epic]

As the Bible doesn't allow anarchy, I cannot be a thoroughgoing anarchist, though under my own fallible wisdom, that would probably otherwise be my inclination.

If total anarchism can be proven to me to be compatible with biblical Christianity, then I'm there.

As it stands, though, I'm compelled to be a Minarchist. Within the Minarchist sphere, a constitutional republic seems to be one possible option - though seriously flawed, it sure would be a lot better than what we have here and now. But I'm by no means so devoted to constitutional republicanism as to call myself a constitutionalist.

I think that, in whatever form it may take, a government, by consent of the governed, that exists SOLELY for the purpose of defending all people's equal rights to life, liberty, and property (and is therefore funded not by taxes but by voluntary donations), is on the whole acceptable.

The problems of force and violence plague anarchy as much as minarchy, monarchy, republicanism, and empire -- though clearly we should strive for as small a stage as possible on which violent people can be capable of acting. This is because the problems of force and violence plague human nature itself, and no political system can erradicate them.

Just thoughts.

How about "thou shalt not steal" ----> implies voluntaryism

 

[Crash Martinez]

How about "thou shalt not steal" ----> implies voluntaryism

Indeed it does...

...a government, by consent of the governed, that exists SOLELY for the purpose of defending all people's equal rights to life, liberty, and property (and is therefore funded not by taxes but by voluntary donations), is on the whole acceptable...