Are the Establishment losing?

[Warlord]

Interesting that the press aren't picking up on this but this year alone:

- Ken Cuccinelli being nominated for governor in VA despite whining from Lt Gov. Bolling and the establishment

- Jason Smith being nominated in MO for Congress who is 32 years old and describes Amash as his model.

- Mark Sanford winning his primary, run off and election to Congress despite whining from the establishment and pulling out at what looked a competitive race and throwing him to the wolves.

KS and MO nullifying Federal gun control laws.

These are symbolic victories for a new kind of GOP just this year alone !!

I am sure there are more to come but it's time for the Tea Party groups and Liberty forces to get active and start planning and plotting because Boehner and his gang no doubt are and they have far greater numbers and resources.

 

[jkr]

YES!
and writhing uncontrollably as was to be expected

kill the LEVIATHAN!

 

[Adrock]

Who is Jason Smith? Besides listing Amash as his model, he looks like a run of the mill Republican.

 

[Sola_Fide]

No, the establishment is not losing. If the establishment were losing, Rand wouldnt have to act like he does.

 

[Warlord]

Who is Jason Smith? Besides listing Amash as his model, he looks like a run of the mill Republican.

A state rep who got selected for a safe GOP seat in MO with a June special election.

 

[Spoa]

Who is Jason Smith? Besides listing Amash as his model, he looks like a run of the mill Republican.

He doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling, opposes food stamps and big government, and opposed Sandy funding. I don't know his positions on civil liberties though. He seems like he'll be better than other Republicans though.

 

[compromise]

Liberty candidate Paul McKinley was nominated in the Illinois special election, but he lost the election itself by a wide margin.

 

[Adrock]

He doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling, opposes food stamps and big government, and opposed Sandy funding. I don't know his positions on civil liberties though. He seems like he'll be better than other Republicans though.

I will keep an eye on his future votes once elected. Hopefully Amash will rub off on him in a good way.

 

[talkingpointes]

Liberty candidate Paul McKinley was nominated in the Illinois special election, but he lost the election itself by a wide margin.

Like the same place that has Chicago - that Illinois, no wonder.

 

[compromise]

Like the same place that has Chicago - that Illinois, no wonder.

He actually ran in IL-2, in Chicago's South Side.

 

[osan]

Interesting that the press aren't picking up on this but this year alone:

- Ken Cuccinelli being nominated for governor in VA despite whining from Lt Gov. Bolling and the establishment

- Jason Smith being nominated in MO for Congress who is 32 years old and describes Amash as his model.

- Mark Sanford winning his primary, run off and election to Congress despite whining from the establishment and pulling out at what looked a competitive race and throwing him to the wolves.

KS and MO nullifying Federal gun control laws.

These are symbolic victories for a new kind of GOP just this year alone !!

I am sure there are more to come but it's time for the Tea Party groups and Liberty forces to get active and start planning and plotting because Boehner and his gang no doubt are and they have far greater numbers and resources.

All irrelevant until such time as Theye are effectively neutralized. Theye are not even near being that. Therefore, it matters as yet not a whit how many of these nano-victories we may achieve because in the end Theye have huge weapons at their disposal. Economic weapons; disease weapons; bang weapons; propaganda weapons. All we have are our wits and determination, such as they may be. Until Theye make a materially unequivocal move against which to counter we will never know the answer to your question. And trust me on this one point: there is no move made thus far to which one can point which could be called "unequivocal". This is part of Theire cunning and patience - nothing they have done thus far cannot be recalled and all booboos forgiven.

Because I believe we are dealing with shrewd people, it is my assessment that no such move will ever be made until such time as they have set us up for defeat to far better than six-sigma confidence. Until that time, we can bitch and piss all we want; it matters not enough to Themme to take mass action. Those few arousing their concern appear to meet eerily similar ends... heart attacks, freak car accidents, their planes falling out of the sky (look at SEAL team 6), and so forth. The funniest aspect of this is that we're so wholly paranoid now that even when some event is purely coincidental we are unable to rule out the possibility that Theye were behind it. This works so marvelously well in Theire favor and so very dreadfully against ours.

This war is still very much up for grabs. At this moment, Theye are winning hands down despite our slow awakening to reality. At this moment it is the far stronger likelihood that Theye will prevail, but that is no guarantee. Theye are taking ever larger bites out of us - is this a sign of decision making being driven by common human impatience or is the agenda going off precisely as planned? We cannot know that and in the end it matters not in the least. We will either get past these crazy people or we will be consumed by them. The only choices remaining to us are whether to resist, how we meet our ultimate fates as men of flesh, and if perchance we prevail what kind of a world we shall leave to our posterity. It is that last point that concerns me for human beings have a long and consistently sordid record of making all the worst possible choices. It is almost as if we demand the miseries that beset us, and yet this is only to be found in empire cultures, the so-called "civilized" nations, "advanced" cultures, and so on.

So sit back, observe closely all that is around you, and be patient. Given what I now observe it appears we may not have so much longer to wait before the answers become clear. Until then live your lives, enjoy what you may and do what you can for the sake of freedom even if only small things are possible. Fight the good fight in whatever ways you are inclined and able. One can ask no more of a man than this.

Time is here.

 

[osan]

No, the establishment is not losing. If the establishment were losing, Rand wouldnt have to act like he does.

Are you implying that Rand's stated positions that appear to be quasi-traitorous are the products of subterfuge pursuant to the achievement of a level of power that will then allow him to shed such revolting pretense so that he might then stab at the beast openly and with honest and courageous vigor?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Are you implying that Rand's stated positions that appear to be quasi-traitorous are the products of subterfuge pursuant to the achievement of a level of power that will then allow him to shed such revolting pretense so that he might then stab at the beast openly and ith honest and courageous vigor?

That would be the best case scenario. But I think that is probably not the case.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

So sit back, observe closely all that is around you, and be patient. Given what I now observe it appears we may not have so much longer to wait before the answers become clear. Until then live your lives, enjoy what you may and do what you can for the sake of freedom even if only small things are possible. Fight the good fight in whatever ways you are inclined and able. One ask no more of a man than this.

Time is here.

Oh Lord, sitting back and doing nothing (or very little) is what led this country to where it is today. The establishment filled in the void of both parties and Wall St was allowed to pillage the rest of the country and posterity. Ron said once someone sheds their ignorance they have a moral duty to stand up for those that still are. This means active involvement as much as possible not just being a casual voter or token donator. Those that are short on funds can make it up with more effort and time, everyone has a special set of skills to better this movement overall. Showing up is everything, there are no off seasons for liberty activists just short holiday breaks, like the establishment takes and then back to screwing us. Complaining online about whatever govt related doesn't cut it tho it does have it's purposes - to rally other online activists offline to take action on the local, state and federal level whether it be pressuring politicians, helping elect liberty candidates or building the liberty movement's influence w/i one's local and state GOPs.

 

[osan]

That would be the best case scenario. But I think that is probably not the case.

Agreed, but then what is the case? I do not much care for that which I see and hear from him. It appears to me that in his case the apple has indeed fallen well far from the tree. Nothing could have disappointed me more, politically speaking. If my perceptions are mistaken, someone please demonstrate how. There is nothing I would like more than to think that Rand Paul is a younger version of his father, but thus far I do not see it in anything more than the most threadbare degree. If this is just strategy at work I can only say that he is screwing the pooch in grand fashion.

Were I to run, what you see would be what you got. I would rather get nothing accomplished through forthright behavior than gain the world through perfidy, which is how the world has come to this woeful pass. Ron Paul got next to nothing done in DC terms and for that I honor him highly and rightly. What he failed to accomplish in the usual terms he more than made up for as an example to the nation of what not to be as an elected official. Good on him and all who would follow in his steps. He helped rekindle the fires of liberty in the United States and that is a greater accomplishment than any he could have attained by selling his soul as just another low-rent DC prostitute. If only his boy would see the light and cut the crap - I would happily support him. As things stand now, he is only marginally improved over the rest and that margin is in need of much feeding because as of this writing it looks bulimic to the point of impending disappearance.

It is a shame I cannot find anyone to help me in that respect. If I knew the first thing about it, I'd run just to be a thorn in Theire sides. I, too, would get nothing accomplished, but I would be happy to set yet another example - to let people know that they are not alone in the spirit of liberty. Instead, those willing to cut corners for the sake of accomplishment receive the backing and accolades. What a world.

Time is here.

 

[Warlord]

Worth pointing out that the potential trojan horse (Cruz) and neocon love child George P Bush's PAC MAverickPAC which helps establishment candidates claims 30 victories in 2012 so you can see how wide they cast their net and if Cruz is still affiliating himself with that I consider him much more dangerous to our cause as his increased profile and endorsements will mean money + more victories for these sorts of big government Republicans even while he poses as a conservative.

It's a neat trick isnt it?

 

[osan]

Oh Lord, sitting back and doing nothing (or very little) is what led this country to where it is today. The establishment filled in the void of both parties and Wall St was allowed to pillage the rest of the country and posterity. Ron said once someone sheds their ignorance they have a moral duty to stand up for those that still are. This means active involvement as much as possible not just being a casual voter or token donator. Those that are short on funds can make it up with more effort and time, everyone has a special set of skills to better this movement overall. Showing up is everything, there are no off seasons for liberty activists just short holiday breaks, like the establishment takes and then back to screwing us. Complaining online about whatever govt related doesn't cut it tho it does have it's purposes - to rally other online activists offline to take action on the local, state and federal level whether it be pressuring politicians, helping elect liberty candidates or building the liberty movement's influence w/i one's local and state GOPs.

Where did I state or even imply we should do nothing? In any event, doing nothing is your right, as it is everyone's. We are either freedom minded or we believe in something else. To assert a moral obligation is questionable. That a proper understanding of principle should lead the rational and honest man to want to become active in strength only seems intuitively obvious, but the implication of obligation further implies the just application of force to compel behavior. In this particular case I see no such possibility to justify force.

So long as the rest remain passive, that is to say they do not work actively against you, I say leave them be. They remain so for any of a fair number of reasons, fear being one of them. Not all people are as brave, perhaps, as you or others. For all I know, I may prove a coward in the end and the same goes for you. Nobody knows for sure the cloth from which they are cut until they stare danger in the eyes. Yes, I despise those I deem cowards, but that does not mean I regard them correctly. Being endowed with the usual complement of human weaknesses it is often easier for me to just say fuck it and have a good hate come over me toward such people. But if I am being my better self, what all can I reasonably do save pity such seemingly bereft creatures? Being unproven in that arena, I am also unable to say for certain that I would be any better where things came to brass tacks.

The only righteous thing we can do in my estimation is to act for ourselves and leave the rest to their devices. I may not like it, but how do I not become that against which I make war when I do what it does? My concern is with my own behavior and the example I set for others. I do not try to come off as super human for that is the great folly. I am just a man. I am weak and my inclinations run to the lazy and corrupt, but I fight those impulses because I believe in right and wrong, good and bad as judged against the standard of my humanity. If I despise being robbed, I refrain from theft no matter how tempted I may be in a given situation. If I do not wish to be murdered, I refrain from murdering. If I do not wish to be raped, I do not rape. And so on it goes down the list.

I saw a full spool of 1/2" steel cable on the roadside yesterday by the airport. My first impulse was to stop, load it up and drive away. Could have done it and nobody would have known what happened to the spool. I drove along not because I am a saintly man feeling no temptation to take that which is not mine, but because I CHOSE not to act on the impulse, strong as it was, knowing it was not right to do so. This is the type of example I choose to set for those around me so that they do not stand in admiration while feeling isolated in their own human frailty. I want them all to know they are not alone - are not unworthy freaks of less-than status, but that they are human and to recognize, respect, and honor all that this means. To understand that these weaknesses do not have to rule their behavior is key to being a sound and successful adult; knowing that all they do are matters of choice and not of the mercy of compulsion. We need more of this brand of candor, IMO.

Time is here.

 

[Warlord]

The point im making is in the two House races since the 2012 election we've got much better candidates than your standard Republicans in terms of Sanford and Smith who will hopefully do a better job than holding the line than most of the frauds in Congress.

And in lobbyist, crony corporate controlled VA there is an actual claimed conservative with a good shot at winning.

 

[Barrex]

NO.
Example:
Glen Bradley

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Where did I state or even imply we should do nothing? In any event, doing nothing is your right, as it is everyone's. We are either freedom minded or we believe in something else. To assert a moral obligation is questionable. That a proper understanding of principle should lead the rational and honest man to want to become active in strength only seems intuitively obvious, but the implication of obligation further implies the just application of force to compel behavior. In this particular case I see no such possibility to justify force.

I was just stating to the general public around here that if you care about liberty and you aren't actively active then bitching and complaining about things isn't something they're entitled to.