Are Liberals Welcome?

dr teeth

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I have followed Ron Paul for awhile now, and I have grown increasingly frustrated with the Democratic Party. I wouldn't say I'm implicitly a small government person, but I am against the government transferring trillions of dollars recklessly. Whether it is the Republicans spending on defense or private contractors, or it is the Democrats creating enormous domestic infrastructure funds, the end result is defrauding the tax payers. Even with the best of intentions, this money enters a political system wrought with corruption.

That said, I don't believe in free reign for huge corporations. Corporations aren't people, and should come second to the needs of American citizens. I don't believe in legislating morality in any fashion, other than the protection of an individual's rights. To me the bounds of liberty are only the direct infringement on another's liberty.

I already see birther posts, so I may be in the wrong place. I firmly believe the burden of proof rests with the accuser and not the accused. The politics of personal destruction disgust me, and people using unproven conspiracies to overturn the will of the people is obviously cheap exploitation of xenophobia and racial tensions in our nation. I don't like anyone, who is more interested in political division, than actual issue based agendas.

That said we do have real problems in this country, and my confidence in the Democratic Party has been shaken. Since the bailouts of banks, I've grown very cynical about the integrity of congress. Even with this health care reform debate, I doubt whether the honest interests of American citizens are being advanced. I believe we need to have a system, where an individual has access to necessary health care services. Right now these insurance companies are committing extortion on our nation. I'm not sure the government is a better option, but something needs fixed somewhere.

I have a lot of other opinions, but I was wondering whether this is a place I can learn and share potential solutions for the problems that we all face.
 
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I have followed Ron Paul for awhile now, and I have grown increasingly frustrated with the Democratic Party. I wouldn't say I'm implicitly a small government person, but I am against the government transferring trillions of dollars recklessly. Whether it is the Republicans spending on defense or private contractors, or it is the Democrats creating enormous domestic infrastructure funds, the end result is defrauding the tax payers. Even with the best of intentions, this money enters a political system wrought with corruption.

That said, I don't believe in free reign for huge corporations. Corporations aren't people, and should come second to the needs of American citizens. I don't believe in legislating morality in any fashion, other than the protection of an individual's rights. To me the bounds of liberty are only the direct infringement on another's liberty.

I already see birther posts, so I may be in the wrong place. I firmly believe the burden of proof rests with the accuser and not the accused. The politics of personal destruction disgust me, and people using unproven conspiracies to overturn the will of the people is obviously cheap exploitation of xenophobia and racial tensions in our nation. I don't like anyone, who is more interested in political division, than actual issue based agendas.

That said we do have real problems in this country, and my confidence in the Democratic Party has been shaken. Since the bailouts of banks, I've grown very cynical about the integrity of congress. Even with this health care reform debate, I doubt whether the honest interests of American citizens are being advanced. I believe we need to have a system, where an individual has access to necessary health care services. Right now these insurance companies are committing extortion on our nation. I'm not sure the government is a better option, but something needs fixed somewhere.

I have a lot of other opinions, but I was wondering whether this is a place I can learn and share potential solutions for the problem that face us all.

Yes, you're welcome.

I have much respect for classic liberals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

There just aren't many of them, just as there aren't many true conservatives.

Welcome Dr. Teeth!
 
Please understand that this forum is not representative of the libertarian population. This is the hideous scar on an otherwise handsome movement. Nothing of value is said on the internet for long.
 
Dr teeth I think you are more then welcome here. Through discussion we can settle our differences. Even if you are a Big Gov person there is some concessions you can make in order to advance the common goals.

The first part of your intro is right on the money. First we must end this crooked theft that is going on right before our eyes. Then we can fight each other on what is the necessary size of government.
 
You're very welcome here.

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sure are welcome here.

We have, let's see: libertarians/libertines/Libertarians/republicans/neo-cons/progressive liberals/classical liberals/anarchists/anarcho-capitalists/paleo-conservatives/conservative democrats/pro-choice/pro-life/pro-israel/pro-palestine/protectionists/free-traders/constitutionalists/christians/atheists/agnostics/buddhists/jews/daoists/muslims/flying-spaghetti-monsterists --- some trolls, some nice people, some not-so-nice people.

Check it out, jump into any discussion and if any of the big bully posters start getting snippy with you please flag the post :)

Welcome to the discussion!
 
Please understand that this forum is not representative of the libertarian population. This is the hideous scar on an otherwise handsome movement. Nothing of value is said on the internet for long.

This forum isn't really representative of anything.

The group of people here disagree with each other more than any other group in current existence lol

It's good though.

Disagreement and dissent create exposure to vast numbers of ideas and opinions that you would never have been exposed to otherwise.
 
Thank you everyone. I really enjoy trying to learn from everyone before making my mind up.
 
Whether it is the Republicans spending on defense

Defense is proscribed in the Constitution. That said, Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan don't count.

That said, I don't believe in free reign for huge corporations. Corporations aren't people, and should come second to the needs of American citizens.

Corporations are a cooperative of Americans exercising their rights. Therefore, the government cannot punish and extort them to "protect" peoples' "rights", as liberals traditionally define them.

I firmly believe the burden of proof rests with the accuser and not the accused.

The Pretender just needs to show his real COLB and all of this Birther stuff will go away. The fact that he doesn't brings serious doubts as to his legitimacy.

I believe we need to have a system, where an individual has access to necessary health care services.

People do have access to healthcare. If you go to any emergency room, you will get the life-saving medical treatment you need. That said, you must understand expensive treatments are goods, and you must pay for them yourself and not steal from others to pay for them.

I have a lot of other opinions, but I was wondering whether this is a place I can learn and share potential solutions for the problem that face us all.
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This is a very intellectually driven forum and you will learn a lot. We have no use for political correctness and you will not always like what you hear.
 
DrTeeth, Just peruse the forums and see for yourself. There are a lot of liberals here. You won't have to look far to see that just today we're had active threads supporting a federal law to monitor vote counting, a poll showing Dennis Kucinich to be the second most popular congressman among forum members, and a vigorous argument in favor of seeing this country sink even deeper into its leftist love affair with democracy. So yeah, I'd say liberals are welcome. The question is, are conservatives.
 
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Defense is proscribed in the Constitution.

Defense is proscribed in the Constitution? I think you meant the exact opposite of that. The preamble specifically mentions providing for the common defense as one of its purposes.
 
Pro freedom libs are welcome. Neoconish , pro elective bloodshed liberals while do need our love ( love the criminal, hate the crime ) and more than that they need education but technically they could be shunned.
 
Defense is proscribed in the Constitution? I think you meant the exact opposite of that. The preamble specifically mentions providing for the common defense as one of its purposes.

You're right, I did mean the opposite.
 
Dr. Teeth,

You are very welcome here. I don't think there is a single member whose political views hasn't been changed in some form or fashion since they came here.

In addition, Ron Paul's presidential campaign supporters were made up of people from all over the political spectrum. Why? Because he is REAL. No matter what your political slant, that is something that is hard to come by in a politician.

Good luck with your Liberty Forest adventures. See the links in my signature for some valuable information.

:)
 
you sound like a reasonable individual Dr. Teeth, and i look forward to your contributions in future threads.

You will find opinions you disagree with, i'm sure, and people will challenge you on your beliefs. You will also find some opinions that you will strongly agree with, and someone who disagrees will be there to challenge you again. :)

This forum is a mess of people who "believe" various things, but *most* of us are united in our belief of the maximum amount of choice for individuals, in all aspects of life.
 
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