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Andrew Napolitano: The Saudi Arabian Government's Involvement In 9/11 Finally Revealed
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Interesting tidbit about Feinstein being immune because she spoke on the floor of the Senate. Does that apply to the House too? How many people in Congress have read the mysterious pages of the 9/11 Report?
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60 Billion in mil equip sales to Saudis gets green light.
Saudis supply 13% of US imported oil
Saudis over produce oil and drop per barrel price - hurts Russia and ISIS
The Cost of US Wars Since 9/11: $1.6 Trillion
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/12/crs-report-war-spending-trillion
Since 9/11, The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars … And They’ve All Been Disasters
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...-more-5-wars-…-and-they’ve-all-been-disasters
$740 Billion Has Been Spent on Security Since 9/11 — Is America Any Safer?
http://mic.com/articles/83101/740-billion-has-been-spent-on-security-since-9-11-is-america-any-safer
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Saudis supply 13% of US imported oil
Saudis over produce oil and drop per barrel price - hurts Russia and ISIS
The Cost of US Wars Since 9/11: $1.6 Trillion
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/12/crs-report-war-spending-trillion
Since 9/11, The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars … And They’ve All Been Disasters
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...-more-5-wars-…-and-they’ve-all-been-disasters
$740 Billion Has Been Spent on Security Since 9/11 — Is America Any Safer?
http://mic.com/articles/83101/740-billion-has-been-spent-on-security-since-9-11-is-america-any-safer
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Wesley Clark "Don't Wait for the Next War"
From World War II through the Cold War, America grew into a formidable world leader as the Arsenal of Democracy. But in recent years the nation has lost its way, Clark believes. The retired four-star general, currently head of his own strategic consulting firm and member of the Clinton Global Initiative’s Energy & Climate Change Advisory Board, argues that we need a new strategic vision, particularly in relation to the turbulent Middle East, China, and the unprecedented challenges of cybersecurity. (PublicAffairs)
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From World War II through the Cold War, America grew into a formidable world leader as the Arsenal of Democracy. But in recent years the nation has lost its way, Clark believes. The retired four-star general, currently head of his own strategic consulting firm and member of the Clinton Global Initiative’s Energy & Climate Change Advisory Board, argues that we need a new strategic vision, particularly in relation to the turbulent Middle East, China, and the unprecedented challenges of cybersecurity. (PublicAffairs)
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Didn't Russia say they had some satellite footage they were thinking of releasing a few days ago?
And lets not use the word "Theory". I prefer Conspiracy FACTS.
And lets not use the word "Theory". I prefer Conspiracy FACTS.
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Number of planes that crashed into tall buildings in the US since 2001:
2002: 0
2003: 0
2004: 0
2005: 0
2006: 0
2007: 0
2008: 0
2009: 0
2010: 0
2011: 0
2012: 0
2013: 0
2014: 0
2015: 0
I would like to thank our brave troops at home and abroad, the NSA, and most importantly, the TSA, for their vigilance and extreme enthusiasm for their work.
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Hillary Cllinton is not going to want to talk about the Clinton Foundation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/
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"... the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation was created in 1999. "
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/
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"... the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation was created in 1999. "
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Yes, closing the barn door after the horses have run off is such an effective strategy.
I guess 4 stories doesn't count as "tall'
(though the Pentagon only has 5 stories above ground)
Man Crashes Plane Into Texas I.R.S. Office (2010)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/us/19crash.html?_r=0
Guess we need TSA screeners at all private airports...
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I was thinking he has a hidden illness and was like, "fuck it".
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http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml
TAMPA - Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left.
The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky.
The Saudis then took another flight out of the country. The two ex-officers returned to TIA a few hours later on the same plane.
For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose.
But now, at the request of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, TIA officials have confirmed that the flight did take place and have supplied details.
The odyssey of the small LearJet 35 is part of a larger controversy over the hasty exodus from the United States in the days immediately after 9/11 of members of the Saudi royal family and relatives of Osama bin Laden.
The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flight.
The commission's general counsel, Daniel Marcus, asked TIA in a letter dated May 25 for any information about "a chartered flight with six people, including a Saudi prince, that flew from Tampa, Florida on or about Sept. 13, 2001." He asked for the information no later than June 8.
TIA officials said they sent their reply on Monday.
The airport used aircraft tracking equipment normally assigned to a noise abatement program to determine the identity of all aircraft entering TIA airspace on Sept. 13, and found four records for the LearJet 35.
The plane first entered the airspace from the south, possibly from the Fort Lauderdale area, sometime after 3 p.m. and landed for the first time at 3:34 p.m. It took off at 4:37 p.m., headed north. It returned to Tampa at 8:23 p.m. and took off again at 8:48 p.m., headed south.
Author Craig Unger, who first disclosed the possibility of a post-9/11 Saudi airlift in his book House of Bush, House of Saud, said in an interview that he believes the jet came to Tampa a second time to drop off two former law enforcement agents from Tampa who accompanied three young Saudis to Lexington for security purposes.
The Saudis asked the Tampa Police Department to escort the flight, but the department handed off the assignment to Dan Grossi, a former member of the force, Unger said. Grossi recruited Manuel Perez, a retired FBI agent, to accompany him. Both described the flight to Unger as somewhat surreal.
"They got the approval somewhere," Perez is quoted as telling Unger. "It must have come from the highest levels of government."
While there is no manifest for those aboard the Lear flight to Kentucky, Unger says the foreign nationals left Lexington for London aboard a Boeing 727. That manifest lists eight Saudis, two Sudan nationals, one Tunisian, one Philippine citizen, one Egyptian and two British subjects.
Of those, three listed residences on Normandy Trace Drive in Tampa, and all of them held Florida drivers' licenses. They are Ahmad Al Hazmi, then 19, Fahad Al Zeid, then 20, and Talal M. Al Mejrad, then 18, all male Saudis.
It is not known which, if any, is a Saudi prince.
Perez, the former FBI agent on the flight, could not be located this week, and Grossi declined to talk about the experience.
"I'm over it," he said in a telephone interview. "The White House, the FAA and the FBI all said the flight didn't happen. Those are three agencies that are way over my head, and that's why I'm done talking about it."
Grossi did say that Unger's account of his participation in the flight is accurate.
The FAA is still not talking about the flights, referring all questions to the FBI, which isn't answering anything, either. Nor is the 9/11 Commission.
Unger's book criticizes the Bush administration for allowing so many Saudis, including the relatives of bin Laden, to leave the country without being questioned thoroughly about the terrorist attacks.
Fifteen of the 19 men who hijacked four airlines on Sept. 11 were Saudi, as is bin Laden.
The 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of the Tampa flight.
"What information, if any, do you have about the screening by law enforcement personnel - including law enforcement personnel affiliated with the airport facility - of individuals on this flight?" the commission asked TIA.
The TIA Police Department said a check of its records indicated no member of its force screened the Lear's passengers.
Despite evidence that the flight occurred, several new questions have arisen.
Raytheon Aircraft is the only facility at TIA that services general aviation, which includes charter flights. When appropriate, Raytheon collects landing fees from those aircraft for TIA and reports to TIA on the flights.
According to airport records, Raytheon collected landing fees from only two aircraft on Sept. 13, one of them a Lear 35. But according to the record, the registration on the Lear is 505RP, a tail number which, according to the latest federal records, is assigned to a Cessna Citation based in Kalamazoo, Mich., and Oskar Rene Poch.
Poch confirmed Tuesday that he owns a Citation with that tail number and did before the terrorist attacks.
"Somebody must have gotten the registration number wrong in Tampa," he said.
TIA spokeswoman Brenda Geoghagan said it is believed the Lear's Sept. 13 journey began in Fort Lauderdale, possibly at a charter company called Hop-a-Jet Inc. The fact that the four trips in and out of Tampa all carried the flight designation "HPJ32" lends support to that idea.
But an official of Hop-a-Jet who wouldn't identify himself said the company does not own an aircraft with the registration number 505RP. Furthermore, he said, if that tail number is assigned to a Cessna Citation, the company doesn't own any Citations, either.
Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13 were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights.
"Whether such a (LearJet) flight would have been legal hinges on whether somebody paid for it," said FAA spokesman William Shumann. "That's the key."
TAMPA - Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left.
The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky.
The Saudis then took another flight out of the country. The two ex-officers returned to TIA a few hours later on the same plane.
For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose.
But now, at the request of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, TIA officials have confirmed that the flight did take place and have supplied details.
The odyssey of the small LearJet 35 is part of a larger controversy over the hasty exodus from the United States in the days immediately after 9/11 of members of the Saudi royal family and relatives of Osama bin Laden.
The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flight.
The commission's general counsel, Daniel Marcus, asked TIA in a letter dated May 25 for any information about "a chartered flight with six people, including a Saudi prince, that flew from Tampa, Florida on or about Sept. 13, 2001." He asked for the information no later than June 8.
TIA officials said they sent their reply on Monday.
The airport used aircraft tracking equipment normally assigned to a noise abatement program to determine the identity of all aircraft entering TIA airspace on Sept. 13, and found four records for the LearJet 35.
The plane first entered the airspace from the south, possibly from the Fort Lauderdale area, sometime after 3 p.m. and landed for the first time at 3:34 p.m. It took off at 4:37 p.m., headed north. It returned to Tampa at 8:23 p.m. and took off again at 8:48 p.m., headed south.
Author Craig Unger, who first disclosed the possibility of a post-9/11 Saudi airlift in his book House of Bush, House of Saud, said in an interview that he believes the jet came to Tampa a second time to drop off two former law enforcement agents from Tampa who accompanied three young Saudis to Lexington for security purposes.
The Saudis asked the Tampa Police Department to escort the flight, but the department handed off the assignment to Dan Grossi, a former member of the force, Unger said. Grossi recruited Manuel Perez, a retired FBI agent, to accompany him. Both described the flight to Unger as somewhat surreal.
"They got the approval somewhere," Perez is quoted as telling Unger. "It must have come from the highest levels of government."
While there is no manifest for those aboard the Lear flight to Kentucky, Unger says the foreign nationals left Lexington for London aboard a Boeing 727. That manifest lists eight Saudis, two Sudan nationals, one Tunisian, one Philippine citizen, one Egyptian and two British subjects.
Of those, three listed residences on Normandy Trace Drive in Tampa, and all of them held Florida drivers' licenses. They are Ahmad Al Hazmi, then 19, Fahad Al Zeid, then 20, and Talal M. Al Mejrad, then 18, all male Saudis.
It is not known which, if any, is a Saudi prince.
Perez, the former FBI agent on the flight, could not be located this week, and Grossi declined to talk about the experience.
"I'm over it," he said in a telephone interview. "The White House, the FAA and the FBI all said the flight didn't happen. Those are three agencies that are way over my head, and that's why I'm done talking about it."
Grossi did say that Unger's account of his participation in the flight is accurate.
The FAA is still not talking about the flights, referring all questions to the FBI, which isn't answering anything, either. Nor is the 9/11 Commission.
Unger's book criticizes the Bush administration for allowing so many Saudis, including the relatives of bin Laden, to leave the country without being questioned thoroughly about the terrorist attacks.
Fifteen of the 19 men who hijacked four airlines on Sept. 11 were Saudi, as is bin Laden.
The 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of the Tampa flight.
"What information, if any, do you have about the screening by law enforcement personnel - including law enforcement personnel affiliated with the airport facility - of individuals on this flight?" the commission asked TIA.
The TIA Police Department said a check of its records indicated no member of its force screened the Lear's passengers.
Despite evidence that the flight occurred, several new questions have arisen.
Raytheon Aircraft is the only facility at TIA that services general aviation, which includes charter flights. When appropriate, Raytheon collects landing fees from those aircraft for TIA and reports to TIA on the flights.
According to airport records, Raytheon collected landing fees from only two aircraft on Sept. 13, one of them a Lear 35. But according to the record, the registration on the Lear is 505RP, a tail number which, according to the latest federal records, is assigned to a Cessna Citation based in Kalamazoo, Mich., and Oskar Rene Poch.
Poch confirmed Tuesday that he owns a Citation with that tail number and did before the terrorist attacks.
"Somebody must have gotten the registration number wrong in Tampa," he said.
TIA spokeswoman Brenda Geoghagan said it is believed the Lear's Sept. 13 journey began in Fort Lauderdale, possibly at a charter company called Hop-a-Jet Inc. The fact that the four trips in and out of Tampa all carried the flight designation "HPJ32" lends support to that idea.
But an official of Hop-a-Jet who wouldn't identify himself said the company does not own an aircraft with the registration number 505RP. Furthermore, he said, if that tail number is assigned to a Cessna Citation, the company doesn't own any Citations, either.
Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13 were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights.
"Whether such a (LearJet) flight would have been legal hinges on whether somebody paid for it," said FAA spokesman William Shumann. "That's the key."
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According to the Washington Post, the Carlyle Group met at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in NYC one day before 9/11. In attendance at this meeting were former president George H. W. Bush and Shafiq bin Laden, the brother of Osama:
The Carlyle Group is a large private-equity investment firm, closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family.
This morning [September 10, 2001] it is holding its annual investor conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC. Among the guests of honor is investor Shafig bin Laden, brother of Osama bin Laden. [Observer, 6/16/2002; London Times, 5/8/2003] Former President George H. W. Bush, who makes speeches on behalf of the Carlyle Group and is also senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001] , attended the conference the previous day, but is not there today (see (8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Washington Post, 3/16/2003]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/george...t-in-new-york-city-one-day-before-911/5332870
The Carlyle Group is a large private-equity investment firm, closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family.
This morning [September 10, 2001] it is holding its annual investor conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC. Among the guests of honor is investor Shafig bin Laden, brother of Osama bin Laden. [Observer, 6/16/2002; London Times, 5/8/2003] Former President George H. W. Bush, who makes speeches on behalf of the Carlyle Group and is also senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001] , attended the conference the previous day, but is not there today (see (8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Washington Post, 3/16/2003]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/george...t-in-new-york-city-one-day-before-911/5332870
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If Hillary Clinton was not directly complicit in the Benghazi Embassy murders, she was certainly criminally derelict of duty.
Reasons for ignoring the explosive and predicted situation are probably lost with her deletion of emails, and a reason
she chose to flaunt federal law.
The Money She accepted from Saudi Arabia and Saudis' ties with 9/11 Explain why the
government did not immediately remand possession of the Government server at her residence,
and allowed her months to meticulously erase evidence of impropriety and possibly Treasonous activity the server held.
Emails on the gov server could quite possibly have sent Hillary Clinton to prison for life, yet we know our government
could not allow numerous high level individuals, corporations, and Federal Agencies to be placed in embarrassingly awkward
positions had all emails been preserved.
Hillary was given a direct pass, imo from the Muslim Terrorist Behind the Big Desk.
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Reasons for ignoring the explosive and predicted situation are probably lost with her deletion of emails, and a reason
she chose to flaunt federal law.
The Money She accepted from Saudi Arabia and Saudis' ties with 9/11 Explain why the
government did not immediately remand possession of the Government server at her residence,
and allowed her months to meticulously erase evidence of impropriety and possibly Treasonous activity the server held.
Emails on the gov server could quite possibly have sent Hillary Clinton to prison for life, yet we know our government
could not allow numerous high level individuals, corporations, and Federal Agencies to be placed in embarrassingly awkward
positions had all emails been preserved.
Hillary was given a direct pass, imo from the Muslim Terrorist Behind the Big Desk.
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....which brings to mind, the NSA;
Gov or private server, I would bet $$$$ they have everything on file that Hillary has said printed and thought over the last 12 or so years, and I'll double
the bet the NSA will NEVER let any of that information see the light of day.
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Gov or private server, I would bet $$$$ they have everything on file that Hillary has said printed and thought over the last 12 or so years, and I'll double
the bet the NSA will NEVER let any of that information see the light of day.
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Notice how the Youtube video has 40 views and 3 likes.
This is what they do, they hold the information until nobody cares anymore, then they can trickle it out without making a fuss.
This is what they do, they hold the information until nobody cares anymore, then they can trickle it out without making a fuss.
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Of course they wouldn't ever release her private information. They respect people's privacy too much to do anything like that.
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The YouTube count ticker gets stuck there and doesn't update for several days. I think it's a anti-going viral measure. We've had a couple of threads on that years ago.
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US politics of late is a bi-partisan, mutli-plot drama... a marriage of swcbaggery and ddgbaggery.
Obama includes Republicans in big delegation to meet new Saudi King
Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:00am IST
Joining Obama in paying respects following the death of King Abdullah will be Republican statesmen James Baker, secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration, and Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to presidents Ford and H.W. Bush, the White House said.
Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state for President George W. Bush, Stephen Hadley, national security adviser in that administration, and Republican Senator John McCain, who is often critical of Obama's foreign policy, also will join.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0V51U420150127
SWC Rahm Emanuel looks on as disgraced ddg puppet accepts gift from one of the most oppressive dictators of this century:
( Saudi King's Justice) The barbarous beheading of woman with a sword last week
Related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories
Obama includes Republicans in big delegation to meet new Saudi King
Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:00am IST
Joining Obama in paying respects following the death of King Abdullah will be Republican statesmen James Baker, secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration, and Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to presidents Ford and H.W. Bush, the White House said.
Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state for President George W. Bush, Stephen Hadley, national security adviser in that administration, and Republican Senator John McCain, who is often critical of Obama's foreign policy, also will join.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0V51U420150127
SWC Rahm Emanuel looks on as disgraced ddg puppet accepts gift from one of the most oppressive dictators of this century:
( Saudi King's Justice) The barbarous beheading of woman with a sword last week
Related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories
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