America's Counter-Revolution: The Constitution Revisited

[helmuth_hubener]

I think the constitution would be fine if we'd revisit our moral state as a nation.

We have a moral problem is what we have.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

The character and temperament of the people determine the destiny of a nation. Beyond that, the details of their legal documents, their institutions, etc., are almost academic.

Other countries (Mexico?) have at various times in history decided to implement the US Constitution for themselves, almost verbatim. "Hey, it obviously worked -- let's copy it!" Didn't work out the same way for them. Why? A different character of people.

So, the most interesting Constitutional question, the one with the longest-lasting and most profound import, is actually: How do you raise your children?



It's mind-blowing once you fully grok it! That, and not the Supreme Court of Last Resort, is what decides how the country will be run and how the words in the founding documents will be interpreted.

 

[fredkc]

Natural Citizen;
I think the constitution would be fine if we'd revisit our moral state as a nation. Our documents are framed on a specific foundation for moral code that is a product of Man's Divine origin.

We have a moral problem is what we have.

Helmuth;
Other countries (Mexico?) have at various times in history decided to implement the US Constitution for themselves, almost verbatim. "Hey, it obviously worked -- let's copy it!" Didn't work out the same way for them. Why? A different character of people.

From memory, but close:
"The Constitution is intended to govern a moral, god-fearing people, and wholly unsuited to any other kind." James Madison

Osan;
Intended to be. One thing I have learned in my 58 years is that some people never learn. For me, violating the rights of a man by employing the abuse of one's mantle of government is right up there with child rape for despicable and unforgivable crimes.

Hence the old Common Law definition of " High crimes, and misdemeanors":
"Using the color of authority to subvert justice"

Osan;
I no longer see any reasonable possibility for a peaceful correction.

Well, in my 64 years, one thing I've learned is that with violent overthrows, comes a high probability of throwing the baby out with the bath water. I think it's because the fact that those having, and willing to use their violent nature, being the ones who wind up making the next set of rules.
Fred

 

[fredkc]

Odd, looks like I dbl posted somehow. Huh!
Haven't seen V-Bulletin do that b4

 

[Natural Citizen]

From memory, but close:
"The Constitution is intended to govern a moral, god-fearing people, and wholly unsuited to any other kind." James Madison

Yep. That's exactly what I was thinking of when I said that. Our traditional philosophy of governance is religious in nature.

Good observation there, Fred.

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

There are several books on this subject already: "Hologram of Liberty" and "Cracks in the Constitution."

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

The character and temperament of the people determine the destiny of a nation. Beyond that, the details of their legal documents, their institutions, etc., are almost academic.

That is exactly what FEE argues. Most notably the "Are we good enough for Liberty." But how to change/influence character?

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

I think the constitution would be fine if we'd revisit our moral state as a nation. Our documents are framed on a specific foundation for moral code that is a product of Man's Divine origin. That spiritual relationship is what guides proper Man-to-Man/Governement-to-Man relations. I don't think it's fair to blame the documents. Blame society for becoming anti-moral and rejecting the foundation that our documents were based on. That right there is the most unrecogniized threat to Individual Liberty today. The erosion of public morality. You can't and won't have Individual Liberty without public virtue/morality. Man wants more because he forgot who he is. Where he came from. And why he has the natural rights that he has. That he, himself, is of primary value and importance compared with material things. He forgot his moral duty. Or rejects it. Whichever. Same thing. End of the day, we traded in Lawfulness that was based on that moral foundation for legalities tht are based on anything but.

We have a moral problem is what we have.

Well now you have anti-human propaganda in pop culture - just look at flicks dealing with AI or aliens.

"Humans are dumb apes and deserve to be exterminated or heavily controlled."

Case in point, the upcoming film "ARRIVAL." Looks like more misanthropic BS. It creates low self esteem for us a species, and with low self esteem comes easy manipulation into servitude and slavery. Just look at how the west is reacting to all of this "white guilt" created by the cultural marxists.

 

[paleocon1]

I have long said that we should have retained the Articles of Confederation. It is hard to see how such a cusp in history would leave us in worse straits than we are today.

 

[osan]

From memory, but close:
"The Constitution is intended to govern a moral, god-fearing people, and wholly unsuited to any other kind." James Madison

Which has been one of my central and oft-repeated points here. Many, here and elsewhere, go on about the Constitution and how we must either replace or amend it, or return to the Articles. It's a futile endeavor in a land infested with this:



and this...



and... well, you know.

Hence the old Common Law definition of " High crimes, and misdemeanors": "Using the color of authority to subvert justice"

When's the last time you heard anyone in "government" make reference to such a thing?

Well, in my 64 years, one thing I've learned is that with violent overthrows, comes a high probability of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The track record is not good, I agree.

I think it's because the fact that those having, and willing to use their violent nature, being the ones who wind up making the next set of rules.
Fred

Perhaps, but as likely or more so, those who prevail are often as rank a set of idiots as those they overcame. Or as corrupt. Lots of corrupt people seem REALLY nice, until you endow them with power. It's an ancient pattern.