Am I the only one who is disappointed with Dr. Paul?

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I really don’t know how to feel about this news. If it’s true, I’ll never regard Ron Paul with quite the same degree of admiration that I did before.

No one has shown more disrespect for Ron Paul than his own party. Yet, Dr. Paul continues to say that he will not abandon the GOP. Bob Barr makes a decision not to participate in a dog and pony press conference that few legitimate politicians would have attended, and that now leads Ron Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin in a clearly vindictive manner? It's both childish and reckless.

I fully support the idea of lining up behind a single candidate and I’ve been pushing for that all along. But any adult who has even the slightest grasp of politics can recognize that Chuck Baldwin is a foolish choice. He might be a fine man, but he’s a religious fundamentalist who will only splinter this once diverse coalition. I think once the novelty of this idea wears off, there’s going to be a huge case of buyer’s remorse in this movement—Ron Paul’s endorsement or not.

For all our sakes, I hope I'm wrong.
 
Exactly. He shouldn't have get involved in this mess at the first place itself.

He should've stayed away and continuously hit the neo-cons. His effectiveness as a REAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN decreases if he gets involved in all these 3rd-party mess.
 
Ron Paul never told anyone to vote for Chuck Baldwin.. he simply stated that is who he is supporting.
 
If you had told me in the beginning of the presidential campaign that this whole "secret plan" thing would end up with him endorsing Chuck Baldwin, I would have laughed at the ridiculous sound of it. Now I'm just shaking my head. Chuck Baldwin missed the write-in deadline for my state, so now I'm stuck with either no presidential vote, barr, mckinney, or nader.
 
Ron Paul never told anyone to vote for Chuck Baldwin.. he simply stated that is who he is supporting.

Is there any difference to those who would vote for Baldwin (or anyone) if told by Paul?
 
I really don’t know how to feel about this news. If it’s true, I’ll never regard Ron Paul with quite the same degree of admiration that I did before.

No one has shown more disrespect for Ron Paul than his own party. Yet, Dr. Paul continues to say that he will not abandon the GOP. Bob Barr makes a decision not to participate in a dog and pony press conference that few legitimate politicians would have attended, and that now leads Ron Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin in a clearly vindictive manner? It's both childish and reckless.

I fully support the idea of lining up behind a single candidate and I’ve been pushing for that all along. But any adult who has even the slightest grasp of politics can recognize that Chuck Baldwin is a foolish choice. He might be a fine man, but he’s a religious fundamentalist who will only splinter this once diverse coalition. I think once the novelty of this idea wears off, there’s going to be a huge case of buyer’s remorse in this movement—Ron Paul’s endorsement or not.

For all our sakes, I hope I'm wrong.

It is my understanding that RP is only able to stay in office because he is in the Republicrat party. He is a lifetime member of the LP. I don't get the sense that RP was vindictive. He saw the shinannigans Barr was up to, and rejected Barr for it. "Foolish choice" is a bit strong regarding Baldwin. I'm still undecided, but I've been reading on him, and he isn't so bad-I just don't agree with the religious aspect, like you. He's on more ballots than Barr now, so statistically, he's the most likely of the freedom oriented candidates to actually win.
 
Ron Paul said something like, he was elected as a republican and owes it to the people who elected him to remain a republican.

Sounds like the honorable thing to do.
 
No one has shown more disrespect for Ron Paul than his own party. Yet, Dr. Paul continues to say that he will not abandon the GOP.


Actually, he belongs to the GOP of Robert Taft. And the current GOP is showing that wing of the party the same levelof disrespect.



Politics is both Strategy AND tactics.
 
Had Barr not told him that he would be there, backed out at the last minute, and let his Campaign take shots at RP after asking him to run as his VP then I doubt Ron Paul would be upset with him. As it stands, I think Dr. Paul has more than enough reason to be angry at the nonsense Bob Barr pulled on him.
 
I really don’t know how to feel about this news. If it’s true, I’ll never regard Ron Paul with quite the same degree of admiration that I did before.

Oh hey man (or woman or whatever) that is kind of like.....part of the process. We kind of got into hero-worship, the cult of Dr. Paul, it's natural. We all want a hero. But heroes are in books. Dr. Paul is a great man, but he's just a dude.

I think it's part of how he's really smart that he anticipated this. All of his recent actions direct the power back to us. He knows this whole thing got a little cultish and he's stepping aside and letting you younger people take a swing. I think it's a really smart move. It just doesn't make sense if you think we're going to change the world in a day.

It's going to take us just a bit longer there you younger heart. But with you, we're moving faster than ever.
 
No one has shown more disrespect for Ron Paul than his own party. Yet, Dr. Paul continues to say that he will not abandon the GOP.
I believe it is easier to change the climate of the GOP than to start anew OR get involved in a political group that 'most' americans see as fringe. Not saying it is. But I understand where Ron Paul is coming from.

Bob Barr makes a decision not to participate in a dog and pony press conference that few legitimate politicians would have attended, and that now leads Ron Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin in a clearly vindictive manner? It's both childish and reckless.
Dog and pony show to who? This was a legitimate and valued press conference to Ron Paul. Bob Barr said he'd show. Why are you dismissing your own politicians bad choices? Also, Barr was clearly the vindictive one - as he snuffed Ron Paul. Is it childish to not support someone who's true colors are now known. I dont' get your line of reasoning. You absolve Barr's involvement in this whole thing, make wild assumptions and then after the dust settles you accuse Ron Paul of everything our Barr inititated.

I fully support the idea of lining up behind a single candidate and I’ve been pushing for that all along. But any adult who has even the slightest grasp of politics can recognize that Chuck Baldwin is a foolish choice.
Perhaps so. But please do not even attempt to say Barr is a better choice. Barr is a hack - I mean, it is painfully obvious.

He might be a fine man, but he’s a religious fundamentalist who will only splinter this once diverse coalition. I think once the novelty of this idea wears off, there’s going to be a huge case of buyer’s remorse in this movement—Ron Paul’s endorsement or not.


I am not sure what all the hoopla is. It appears to me that many of the LIbertarian supporters are steaming up the message boards disparaging Baldwin for one simple fact -- They thought this year their numbers would climb in the coming election, thus verifying to the mainstream that they need to be taken seriously.

Now that Ron Paul has thrown his support behind another, they see their plans unravelling. Their final legitimacy in the coming election is now in question.
 
Ron Paul has been fighting for the constitution for 30 years. No one deserves more respect and admiration! He did it alone, without big $$, he did it for his family and his country. How long have we been fighting? Me, only a little over a year. Ron Paul will always be my hero, and I thank him so much for what he has done while I was sleeping.

So he told us who he supports. Big deal.
 
I really don’t know how to feel about this news. If it’s true, I’ll never regard Ron Paul with quite the same degree of admiration that I did before.

No one has shown more disrespect for Ron Paul than his own party. Yet, Dr. Paul continues to say that he will not abandon the GOP. Bob Barr makes a decision not to participate in a dog and pony press conference that few legitimate politicians would have attended, and that now leads Ron Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin in a clearly vindictive manner? It's both childish and reckless.

I fully support the idea of lining up behind a single candidate and I’ve been pushing for that all along. But any adult who has even the slightest grasp of politics can recognize that Chuck Baldwin is a foolish choice. He might be a fine man, but he’s a religious fundamentalist who will only splinter this once diverse coalition. I think once the novelty of this idea wears off, there’s going to be a huge case of buyer’s remorse in this movement—Ron Paul’s endorsement or not.

For all our sakes, I hope I'm wrong.

I don't think that letter was written by Ron. It sounds nothing like his other writings and it was posted by Benton.
 
I really don’t know how to feel about this news. If it’s true, I’ll never regard Ron Paul with quite the same degree of admiration that I did before.

No one has shown more disrespect for Ron Paul than his own party. Yet, Dr. Paul continues to say that he will not abandon the GOP. Bob Barr makes a decision not to participate in a dog and pony press conference that few legitimate politicians would have attended, and that now leads Ron Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin in a clearly vindictive manner? It's both childish and reckless.

I fully support the idea of lining up behind a single candidate and I’ve been pushing for that all along. But any adult who has even the slightest grasp of politics can recognize that Chuck Baldwin is a foolish choice. He might be a fine man, but he’s a religious fundamentalist who will only splinter this once diverse coalition. I think once the novelty of this idea wears off, there’s going to be a huge case of buyer’s remorse in this movement—Ron Paul’s endorsement or not.

For all our sakes, I hope I'm wrong.

You are wrong about the reasons for his endorsement of Baldwin. It is not due to childish, reckless, or vindictive behavior. I heard around the middle of July that he was going to endorse Baldwin. I was told he was going to announce it at the St. Paul rally. I was surprised when he didn't.
 
Yeah, after some painful seconds I have come to the conclusion that the man I admired for these wonderous few months. The man I devoted so much of my money and time. The man who I believed and trusted in, and who opened my eyes to many different things. This man is a fraud and charlatan. I can't believe I am SOO disappointed in him for even suggesting or getting behind another candidate I don't agree with. What the phuk is wrong with him!!

A little part of me died today with your support for such an evil man.

After a few more seconds of deliberation, I just realized I was being weak and self-absorbed AND self-centered. Wow, I am normal again. Ron Paul, do whatever you feel is best. I will support you in your right to make good decisions, because so far - you been on the up and up. I can't say I will follow your lead in who you support, but I do appreciate you coming forward and making a statement.

wow.
 
Bob Barr makes a decision not to participate in a dog and pony press conference that few legitimate politicians would have attended, and that now leads Ron Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin in a clearly vindictive manner? It's both childish and reckless.

You assume too much about his motivations and really lack the first hand knowledge Ron Paul has dealing with Barr for a long time.
 
I can't believe people are actually trashing RP for supporting Baldwin (assuming it turns out to be true). Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! RP can't vote for all 4 candidates and neither can you. You gotta pick one and run with it. Baldwin is who RP is picking. Deal with it.
 
I can't believe people are actually trashing RP for supporting Baldwin (assuming it turns out to be true). Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! RP can't vote for all 4 candidates and neither can you. You gotta pick one and run with it. Baldwin is who RP is picking. Deal with it.

Yes...Assuming it's true. I don't have a problem if he endorses anyone, but Ron didn't post that. How do we even know he wrote it? Benton has overstepped his boundaries many times...I wouldn't be surprised if he twisted words of Ron's or something or if Ron didn't have anything to do with it.

Many of you here say "go research your stuff" "don't believe everything you're told!" Well, why are some of you here so quick to believe this? Your brain suddenly evades you because Ron "supposedly" said something. Stop jumping the gun. Sit down, relax, and think. You don't know ANYTHING right now.
 
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