Alpha Atheist Turns "Agnostic"!

Yeah, but who cares. He already knew that God existed, but he supressed that truth.

All men everywhere know that God exists because God makes them know it:

Romans 1:18-25 NLT

But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.

For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.

And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie.

So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
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Now, of course Paul is speaking of ancient people worshipping idols specifically here, but it has application to this day obviously. Atheists worship their own mind, they serve it no matter how irrational and immoral they become, so in this sense they are still worshipping the created instead of the Creator.
 
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Voluntary Man said:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9102740/Richard-Dawkins-I-cant-be-sure-God-does-not-exist.html

"[Dawkins] told the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, that he preferred to call
himself an agnostic rather than an atheist."


Related: larkenrose.com/store/34-books/2019-the-most-dangerous-superstition-new.html
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If you watch the video he says in his book he created a scale from 1-7, 1 saying I have no doubts of a supernatural power's existence, 7 saying there is absolutely no way such power exists. He said he was a 6.9/7 on that scale. He didn't change positions, he's always been that way.
 
AquaBuddha2010 said:
Now, of course Paul is speaking of ancient people worshipping idols specifically here, but it has application to this day obviously. Atheists worship their own mind, they serve it no matter how irrational and immoral they become, so in this sense they are still worshipping the created instead of the Creator.
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Exactly. We are all worshipped by nature. We Christians worship the Creator, whereas atheists worship the created.
 
Even as a Christian, I have to concede that Agnosticism is the only position on God or the universe that can be solidly and indisputably argued from pure logic. Both Theism and Atheism are based on belief, and neither can be proven or disproven definitively.
 
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BuddyRey said:
Even as a Christian, I have to concede that Agnosticism is the only position on God or the universe that can be solidly and indisputably argued from pure logic. Both Theism and Atheism are based on belief, and neither can be proven or disproven definitively.
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Not way. Without the axiom of Biblical truths, you can't prove anything at all.
 
Actually, I think in terms of the meanings of the words, Dawkins is technically an Agnostic. the Prefix "A" means "absence of" or "denial of" a "Theist" is a believer in a god or gods. Thus, an "atheist" is a denier of God or Gods. Meanwhile, a "Gnostic" is a believer in the supernatural which may or may not include a god or gods. Thus, an "Agnostic" is someone who denies all things supernatural, including Gods. A theravada buddhist is therefore an Atheist, but not an Agnostic. Dawkins really is an Agnostic.
 
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Phil said:
Yes, when someone is completely positive that something is true or exists. I'm talking about gnostic theists and gnostic atheists.
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So...you must be a gnostic because you are sure that this definition of Gnosticism is the correct one? If we all think what we believe is true, then we must all be gnostics according to that definition.
 
AquaBuddha2010 said:
Not way. Without the axiom of Biblical truths, you can't prove anything at all.
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Obviously your opinions are biased. This is just one of the reasons why I cannot stand debating religion. You cannot convince someone who is so determined that they're correct (both Theists and Atheists).
 
Phil said:
Obviously your opinions are biased. This is just one of the reasons why I cannot stand debating religion. You cannot convince someone who is so determined that they're correct (both Theists and Atheists).
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Every opinion is biased. Agnostics have opinions based on empiricism, which they assume beforehand without demonstrating. There is no such thing as neutrality.

Edit: also, I go out of my way to never mention the Bible or God or anything like that when I debate atheists. I always try to meet them on their terms and show them how they are irrational.
 
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AquaBuddha2010 said:
Not way. Without the axiom of Biblical truths, you can't prove anything at all.
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There is much more to the world than Biblians and Abiblians. There are 950 million(with an M) Hindus ALONE. 950 MILLION. No one is shoving their Bhagavad Gita down your throat. But then nothing says "Christ" more than hubris, I suppose.
 
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