Alec Baldwin Shot and Killed Female Cinematographer, Injured Director on Movie Set

[donnay]

Alec Baldwin Shot and Killed Female Cinematographer, Injured Director on Movie Set

PAUL BOIS 21 Oct 2021

A tragedy occurred on the set of the latest Alec Baldwin movie where the actor reportedly accidentally shot and killed a female cinematographer and injured the director due to a prop gun misfire.

“Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a set in New Mexico on Thursday, accidentally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza,” reported Variety.

The tragic incident reportedly occurred on the Bonanza Creek Ranch set in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where Alec Baldwin was shooting his upcoming Western, Rust. Hutchins, who originally remained unidentified, died after being transported via helicopter to the University of New Mexico Hospital.

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[phill4paul]

Treat all guns as if they are loaded. Dumbass liberal.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

prop gun misfire

Okay. If it's a prop gun, how come a projectile apparently came out of the front ?
Does not sound like a misfire but a successful firing off a gun that shouldn't fire.

 

[donnay]

Treat all guns as if they are loaded. Dumbass liberal.

Exactly. I was raise around guns and that is what my dad taught my sisters and I. My dad never locked his guns up--and we never touched them without his permission. He also trained us how to handle a gun and shoot it.

 

[jmdrake]

Okay. If it's a prop gun, how come a projectile apparently came out of the front ?
Does not sound like a misfire but a successful firing off a gun that shouldn't fire.

Sounds like the death of Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son).


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee

On March 31, 1993, Lee was filming a scene in The Crow where his character is shot and killed by thugs.[97] In the scene, Lee's character walks into his apartment and discovers his fiancée being beaten and raped, and a thug played by actor Michael Massee is to fire a Smith & Wesson Model 629 .44 Magnum revolver at Lee's character as he walks into the room.[98]

In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun, which is a real revolver, was loaded with improperly-made dummy rounds, cartridges from which the special-effects crew had removed the powder charges so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunitions. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges. At some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired; although there was no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck (a condition known as a squib load). For the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank round was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[99][100]

After Massee pulled the trigger, Lee was supposed to fall forward instead of backward. When the director said "cut", Lee did not stand up and the crew thought he was either still acting or kidding around. Jeff Imada, who immediately checked Lee, noticed something wrong when he came close and noted Lee was unconscious and breathing heavily. Medic Clyde Baisey went over and shook Lee to see if he was dazed by hitting his head during the fall, but did not think Lee had been shot since there was no bleeding. Baisey took Lee's pulse, which was regular, but within two to three minutes it slowed down dramatically, and stopped.[101]​

That was the dumbest death ever. They should have used two different guns.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

If this were a James Woods or Jon Voight he would be indicted. Equal Justice?

 

[jmdrake]

If this were a James Woods or Jon Voight he would be indicted. Equal Justice?

Probably not. Freak accident. Nobody got indicted from Brandon Lee's death. The whole point of a prop gun is that you're supposed to be able to safely point it at someone and pull the trigger. They should be no more deadly than a paintball or airsoft gun. The real fault is the person who put an unsafe prop gun on set.

 

[acptulsa]

Probably not. Freak accident. Nobody got indicted from Brandon Lee's death. The whole point of a prop gun is that you're supposed to be able to safely point it at someone and pull the trigger. They should be no more deadly than a paintball or airsoft gun. The real fault is the person who put an unsafe prop gun on set.

On stage they never do, always aiming upstage or downstage of the other actor. Like rubber bullets, the paper wadding in blank cartridges (necessary to hold the powder in place) is dangerous enough.

The problem with letting people who have no respect for guns use them to playact is they have no respect for guns.

 

[jmdrake]

On stage they never do, always aiming upstage or downstage of the other actor. Like rubber bullets, the paper wadding in blank cartridges (necessary to hold the powder in place) is dangerous enough.

The problem with letting people who have no respect for guns use them to playact is they have no respect for guns.

In Brandon Lee's case they obviously didn't aim upstage or downstage of him. And I've seen a lot of movies where it sure LOOKS like the gun is aimed directly at the other actor. Anyway, with today's special effects this isn't at all necessary. They could use realistic airsoft guns and CGI in the muzzle flash.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm surprised nobody has said this but BAN PROP GUNS! I'm only halfway joking. They serve no real purpose and have an unacceptably high risk.

 

[Invisible Man]

Sounds like the death of Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son).


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee

On March 31, 1993, Lee was filming a scene in The Crow where his character is shot and killed by thugs.[97] In the scene, Lee's character walks into his apartment and discovers his fiancée being beaten and raped, and a thug played by actor Michael Massee is to fire a Smith & Wesson Model 629 .44 Magnum revolver at Lee's character as he walks into the room.[98]

In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun, which is a real revolver, was loaded with improperly-made dummy rounds, cartridges from which the special-effects crew had removed the powder charges so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunitions. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges. At some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired; although there was no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck (a condition known as a squib load). For the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank round was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[99][100]

After Massee pulled the trigger, Lee was supposed to fall forward instead of backward. When the director said "cut", Lee did not stand up and the crew thought he was either still acting or kidding around. Jeff Imada, who immediately checked Lee, noticed something wrong when he came close and noted Lee was unconscious and breathing heavily. Medic Clyde Baisey went over and shook Lee to see if he was dazed by hitting his head during the fall, but did not think Lee had been shot since there was no bleeding. Baisey took Lee's pulse, which was regular, but within two to three minutes it slowed down dramatically, and stopped.[101]​

That was the dumbest death ever. They should have used two different guns.

I have to believe that not just the prop people, but the actors who pulled the triggers, must not be people who have much experience handling real guns and learning to respect and fear them the way those who have that experience do. I can't imagine being an actor going into a scene where I have to pick up a gun, point it at someone, and pull the trigger, without going through multiple steps personally to make absolutely certain that this gun will not fire a real bullet. The people who don't have that kind of respect for guns are typically anti-gun nuts whose knowledge about guns comes from fictional portrayals in TV and movies.

 

[acptulsa]

In Brandon Lee's case they obviously didn't aim upstage or downstage of him.

Yeah, by "on stage" I didn't mean a soundstage. Even in theater of the round it becomes more difficult for that trick to fool the eye. Cameras tend to be brought in close enough to see everything, even a point of aim.

That said, this doesn't sound like a similar situation to Brandon Lee's. Baldwin shot two people behind the camera. Conservative gun control involves hitting what you aim at. If you aim at no one before you pull the trigger, that's who you hit. No one.

 

[Invisible Man]

In Brandon Lee's case they obviously didn't aim upstage or downstage of him. And I've seen a lot of movies where it sure LOOKS like the gun is aimed directly at the other actor. Anyway, with today's special effects this isn't at all necessary. They could use realistic airsoft guns and CGI in the muzzle flash.

The sad thing is, when it comes to shooting guns, they've never seemed to care a bit about realism in the first place.

 

[phill4paul]

 

[jmdrake]

I have to believe that not just the prop people, but the actors who pulled the triggers, must not be people who have much experience handling real guns and learning to respect and fear them the way those who have that experience do. I can't imagine being an actor going into a scene where I have to pick up a gun, point it at someone, and pull the trigger, without going through multiple steps personally to make absolutely certain that this gun will not fire a real bullet. The people who don't have that kind of respect for guns are typically anti-gun nuts whose knowledge about guns comes from fictional portrayals in TV and movies.

Yeah....I get that....but...

Yeah, by "on stage" I didn't mean a soundstage. Even in theater of the round it becomes more difficult for that trick to fool the eye. Cameras tend to be brought in close enough to see everything, even a point of aim.

That said, this doesn't sound like a similar situation to Brandon Lee's. Baldwin shot two people behind the camera. Conservative gun control involves hitting what you aim at. If you aim at no one before you pull the trigger, that's who you hit. No one.

I get that too....but....why have a gun on set that's not belonging to a security guard that can possibly be configured to kill someone? Is that extra bit of realism really worth it? I say no. Ban prop guns. Those jackasses in Hollywood support over-regulation of everybody else's industry and yet this one tiny restriction on their industry hasn't happened yet.

The sad thing is, when it comes to shooting guns, they've never seemed to care a bit about realism in the first place.

^This. I was at someone's house who was watching Once Upon A Time In Mexico and I could have sworn I saw Antonio Banderas fire his trademark double barrel sawed off shotgun four times without reloading.

 

[Invisible Man]

If they wanted realism, then I can see how having a real bang, flash, and recoil, that actually is the same as, or effectively mimics, that of a real gun, that is experienced by the actor pulling the trigger at that moment on camera, could add a layer of realism that CGI wouldn't emulate well enough.

But that's the thing, they obviously never do want that kind of realism. So I'm not sure what benefit they get from having the risk of killing someone.

 

[acptulsa]

Yeah....I get that....but...



I get that too....but....why have a gun on set that's not belonging to a security guard that can possibly be configured to kill someone? Is that extra bit of realism really worth it? I say no. Ban prop guns. Those jackasses in Hollywood support over-regulation of everybody else's industry and yet this one tiny restriction on their industry hasn't happened yet.

As a libertarian, "ban it" is far from my default position. It's presumptuous to assume one can foresee every possibility. Having to use CGI to film a character shooting bottles off a fence rail sounds more like shutting out low budget productions than addressing a widespread problem. Does that protect assistant directors or big studios? I'd rather see Baldwin charged with reckless endangerment. He's being paid more than enough to be considered a professional, and be held to the same standard as any professional who disregards basic safety in his profession.

What the "they are liberals, they want to ban everything, let's ban their things" type response reminds me of is how this and a left and a left and a left right left two party system has marched us into tyranny. Will Rogers was right. You can only get as much liberty as you give.

But that's the thing, they obviously never do want that kind of realism.

Never say never. Yes, 99% of cinematic effort is put forth by hacks. Hogtie the other one percent, however, and something of real value is lost.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Now he'll have to spend the rest of his life knowing he killed someone.

 

[RJB]

I won't buy my kids toy guns. If they want to play, I tell them to use sticks. I taught all of them how to fire a real gun and let them see the devastation it does to a target, and they know gun safety, better than Alec.

Right now, my 8 and 10 year old sons are learning the David and Goliath sling. I told them when they can hit a target five times in a row that we will cut down saplings and make long bows.

 

[phill4paul]

Yeah....I get that....but...



I get that too....but....why have a gun on set that's not belonging to a security guard that can possibly be configured to kill someone? Is that extra bit of realism really worth it? I say no. Ban prop guns. Those jackasses in Hollywood support over-regulation of everybody else's industry and yet this one tiny restriction on their industry hasn't happened yet.



^This. I was at someone's house who was watching Once Upon A Time In Mexico and I could have sworn I saw Antonio Banderas fire his trademark double barrel sawed off shotgun four times without reloading.

Banning shit is a slippery slope. I know re-enactors from Revolutionary to WWII that use authentic weapons or working reproductions and blanks in their demonstrations. But, they aren't dumbass liberals that point real firearms at others even when loaded with blanks.