Against Woman Suffrage by Lysander Spooner

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[h2]Against Woman Suffrage [/h2]
by Lysander Spooner
New Age, February 24, 1877

Women are human beings, and consequently have all the natural rights that any human beings can have. They have just as good a right to make laws as men have, and no better; AND THAT IS JUST NO RIGHT AT ALL. No human being, nor any number of human beings, have any right to make laws, and compel other human beings to obey them. To say that they have is to say that they are the masters and owners of those of whom they require such obedience.

The only law that any human being can rightfully be compelled to obey is simply the law of justice. And justice is not a thing that is made, or that can be unmade, or altered, by any human authority. It is a natural principle, inhering in the very nature of man and of things. It is that natural principle which determines what is mine and what is thine, what is one man's right or property and what is another man's right or property. It is, so to speak, the line that Nature has drawn between one man's rights of person and property and another man's rights of person and property.

This natural principle, which we will call justice, and which assigns to each and every human being, is, I repeat, not a thing that has made, but is a matter of science to be learned, like mathematics, or chemistry, or geology. And all the laws, so called, that men have ever made, either to create, define, or control the rights of individuals, were intrinsically just as absurd and ridiculous as would be laws to create, define, or control mathematics, or chemistry, or geology.

Substantially all the tyranny and robbery and crime that governments have ever committed - and they have either themselves committed, or licensed others to commit, nearly all that have ever been committed in the world by anybody - have been committed by them under the pretence of making laws. Some man, or some body of men, have claimed the right, or usurped the power, of making laws, and compelling other men to obey; thus setting up their own will, and enforcing it, in place of that natural law, or natural principle, which says that no man or body of men can rightfully exercise any arbitrary power whatever over the persons or property of other men.

There are a large class of men who are so rapacious that they desire to appropriate to their own uses the persons and properties of other men. They combined for the purpose, call themselves governments, make what they call laws, and then employ courts, and governors, and constables, and, in the last resort, bayonets, to enforce obedience.

There is another class of men, who are devoured by ambition, by the love of power, and the love of fame.

They think it a very glorious thing to rule over men; to make laws to govern them. But as they have no power of their own to compel obedience, they unite with the rapacious class before mentioned, and become their tools. They promise to make such laws as the rapacious class desire, if this latter class will but authorize them to act in their name, and furnish the money and the soldiers necessary for carrying their laws, so called, into execution.

Still another class of men, with a sublime conceit of their own wisdom, or virtue, or religion, think they have a right, and a sort of divine authority, for making laws to govern those who, they think are less wise, or less virtuous, or less religious than themselves. They assume to know what is best for all other men to do and not to do, to be and not to be, to have and not to have. And they conspire to make laws to compel all those other men to conform to their will, or, as they would say, to their superior discretion. They seem to have no perception of the truth that each and every human being has had given to him a mind and body of his own, separate and distinct from the minds and bodies of all other men; and that each man's mind and body have, by nature, rights that are utterly separate and distinct from the rights of any and all other men; that these individual rights are really the only human rights there are in the world; that each man's rights are simply the right to control his own soul, and body, and property, according to his own will, pleasure, and discretion, so long as he does not interfere with the equal right of any other man to the free exercise and control of his own soul, body, and property. They seem to have no conception of the truth that, so long as he lets all other men's souls, bodies, and properties alone, he is under no obligation whatever to believe in such wisdom, or virtue, or religion as they do, or as they think best for him.

This body of self-conceited, wise, virtuous, and religious people, not being sufficiently powerful of themselves to make laws and enforce them upon the rest of mankind, combined with the rapacious and ambitious classes before mentioned to carry out such purposes as they can all agree upon. And the farce, and jargon, and Babel they all make of what they call government would be supremely ludicrous and ridiculous, if it were not the cause of nearly all the poverty, ignorance, vice, crime, and misery there are in the world.

Of this latter class - that is, the self-conceited, wise, virtuous, and religious class - are those woman suffrage persons who are so anxious that women should participate in all the falsehood, absurdity, usurpation, and crime of making laws, and enforcing them upon other persons. It is astonishing what an amount of wisdom, virtue, and knowledge they propose to inflict upon, or force into, the rest of mankind, if they can but be permitted to participate with the men in making laws. According to their own promises and predictions, there will not be a single natural human being left upon the globe, if the women can but get hold of us, and add their power to that of the men in making such laws as nobody has any right to make, and such as nobody will be under the least obligation to obey. According to their programme, we are to be put into their legislative mill, and be run through, ground up, worked over, and made into some shape in which we shall be scarcely recognized as human beings. Assuming to be gods, they propose to make us over into their own image. But there are so many different images among them, that we can have, at most, but one feature after one model, and another after another. What the whole conglomerate human animal will be like, it is impossible to conjecture.

In all conscience, it is not for us even to bear the nearly unbearable ills inflicted upon us by the laws already made, at any rate it is not better for us to be (if we can but be permitted to be) such simple human beings as Nature made us, - than suffer ourselves to be made over into such grotesque and horrible shapes as a new set of lawmakers would make us into, if we suffer them to try their powers upon us?

The excuse which the women offer for all the laws which they propose to inflict upon us is that they themselves are oppressed by the laws that now exist. Of course they are oppressed; and so are all men - except the oppressors themselves - oppressed by the laws that are made. As a general rule, oppression was the only motive for which laws were ever made. If men wanted justice, and only justice, no laws would ever need to be made; since justice itself is not a thing that can be made. If men or women, or men and women, want justice, and only justice, their true course is not to make any more laws, but to abolish the laws - all the laws - that have already been made. When they shall have abolished all the laws that have already been made, let them give themselves to the study and observance, and, if need be, the enforcement, of that one universal law - the law of Nature - which is "the same at Rome and Athens" in China and in England - and which man did not make. Women and men alike will then have their rights; all their rights; all the rights that Nature gave them. But until then, neither men nor women will have anything that they can call their rights. They will at most have only such liberties or privileges as the laws that are made shall see fit to allow them.

If the women, instead of petitioning to be admitted to a participation in the power of making more laws, will but give notice to the present lawmakers that they (the women) are going up to the State House, and are going to throw all the existing statute books in the fire, they will do a very sensible thing, - one of the most sensible things it is in their power to do. And they will have a crowd of men - at least all the sensible and honest men in the country to go with them.

But this subject requires a treatise, and is not to be judged of by the few words here written. Nor is any special odium designed to be cast on the woman suffragists; many of whom are undoubtedly among the best and most honest of all those foolish people who believe that laws should be made.

Lysander Spooner (1808-1887) was a lawyer, writer, entrepreneur, and libertarian activist.

http://www.voluntaryist.com/spooner/againstwomansuffrage.php
 
I am. Did you read the entire article or even the first paragraph, or did you just stop at the title? :)

I did read it and found the title didn't fit the entire story however it wouldn't be the first time that someone had claimed they were against something for everyone knowing that it wouldn't really matter to mask their true prejudism.

Are you also going to even respond correctly and go into an in-depth analysis or are you going to keep saying one sentence?

It's nice that you can copy and paste articles but it's much more of a bonus to actually read what comes from your mind that something that is copy and paste.

Also, I do have a brain, no need to question my ability to read ;)
 
I did read it and found the title didn't fit the entire story however it wouldn't be the first time that someone had claimed they were against something for everyone knowing that it wouldn't really matter to mask their true prejudism.

Yeah, that often happens too, sad to say.

Are you also going to even respond correctly and go into an in-depth analysis or are you going to keep saying one sentence?

Respond correctly acccording to whom? Whatever I choose. In depth analysis is not really my preferred posting style. I think that the article speaks clearly for itself.<IMHO> Take it or leave it. Agree or not.

I was merely responding to your one sentence questions. :)

It's nice that you can copy and paste articles but it's much more of a bonus to actually read what comes from your mind that something that is copy and paste.

Sometimes I'm just the messenger. ;)

Also, I do have a brain, no need to question my ability to read ;)

Where did I do that? Specific quote of my EXACT accusations are much preferred. ;)

Thanks! :)


"I don't know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is ... try to please everybody."
 
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Thanks for posting, that was a good read, I really like Spooner. His "No Treason, The Constitution Of No Authority" is one of my all time favorites and impossible to successfully argue against. :)
 
Thanks for posting, that was a good read, I really like Spooner. His "No Treason, The Constitution Of No Authority" is one of my all time favorites and impossible to successfully argue against. :)
You're welcome. :) I like Lysander too, truly a man ahead of his time.<IMHO>


'Lysander Spooner once said that he believed "that by false interpretations, and naked usurpations, the government has been made in practice a very widely, and almost wholly, different thing from what the Constitution itself purports to authorize." At the same time, he could not exonerate the Constitution, for it "has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." It is hard to argue with that.' -- Thomas E. Woods Jr
 
THanks TW. A good read, Spooner is the man.

And the title does match the article if you consider the time period it was written in.

The logic is very simple. People who vote are oppressors. Women want the right to vote. Spooner wants less oppressors, not more. So he is against women's suffrage.
 
When I read the thread title I thought of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmKWp4OPoUM
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THanks TW. A good read, Spooner is the man.

And the title does match the article if you consider the time period it was written in.

The logic is very simple. People who vote are oppressors. Women want the right to vote. Spooner wants less oppressors, not more. So he is against women's suffrage.
You're welcome! By George, I think you've got it. ;) :)

How about ZERO oppressors AKA barbarians? :rolleyes:
 
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I admit that MY intent is to END TYRANNY. ;) "Voting your way to freedom is like drinking your way to sober." -- TW

I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Thomas Jefferson
 
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I admit that MY intent is to END TYRANNY. ;) "Voting your way to freedom is like drinking your way to sober." -- TW

I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Thomas Jefferson

Uh huh. Then don't vote. ;)
 
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