a story of corruption and what a lot of you dont get.

garrettwombat

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im going to be the one who comes out and says this.
iv been hearing a lot of talk about "it doesnt end with paul, run in your state!"
so this is how i tie grassroots with my message.

all politics are filled with corruption and let me tell you why.
and let me tell you why it is nearly impossible to be a politician without being currupt.
i will not tell my personal experiences on how i know or who i know these things through for the sake of my security. but i will tell you to be advised.

applying to county and city governments in more populated counties:

this may sound silly to a lot of you but this is how the ring works.
and anyone deep in political ties knows this.

you have your builders. (they are on top, yes builders, as in housing)
you have your politicians. (they are the brains of the operation)
you have your drug dealers. (they are the cash flow, and the intimidation)
and they all have there bank. (all the above either use or own it)

your politician can not make money without builders...
builders can not make money without the politician
builders fund the campaign.
while in office, the politicians are the ones who give building permits to allow a builder to do his job. they feed off each other to get started.

now while all the above goes on you have the drug dealers...
they tie in as a cooperation but also as a fear factor.
one word "BRIBES"
NOT ONLY do politicians make ridiculously huge amounts of money off of bribes but you will wind up dead if you do not cooperate with these same drug dealers and there bribes.
so its almost forced to be involved in cooperation for the sake of safety while at the same time make huge amounts of money. (that's why you have lots of people dropping out of office who can not handle it and will give no reason why)

while all of this is going on you have the bank that is owned by the politician who keeps his dirty money there and for him to give out loans to the builders.

in a way, you almost have to be currupt to be inside the system for the sake of your security.


when i say "politician" i mean several positions and they all work more or less in the same way: commissioners, judges, the sheriff, and the mayor.

now when you try to run and you make it publicly known your going to get in and clean house(fix up the place from known corruption) you are putting your life in a huge danger. it will start with bribes to step down if they feel you are a threat. then threats will start if you dont back down, then you can seriously wind up getting hurt or even killed.

i urge all of you who are looking into local office to be prepared and be very careful about what you say to people.

we are fortunate to have a man like Ron paul who has made it to where he has.

and when voting for local offices make sure you look into the people running and that they do not fall under these things:

own a bank
are a lawyer
or have large sums of money.

more than likely if they do or have any of the above they fall into the ring. and just to be safe DO NOT ever vote for anyone that is tied in with those 3 things except a judge.
this is how we stop corruption.


this doesnt apply to every single county, but the majority.
and be careful people. this is real and this is how America works on the small level, its just that on the big level you have lobbyists and such... same amount of corruption just a different ring.



__and im not trying to make an assumption here. all im trying to say is__
"its all a matter of bribing and getting around the law and making money
that's it, nothing more, but that is what corruption is, and it is what has ruined this country."
 
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I can't imagine a bank so small that someone could own it. Aren't Bank of America and Citibank near-monopolies everywhere?
 
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard

As a current law student and Ron Paul supporter this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen posted on this message board in a long time.
- Don't elect lawyers to local positions???? Are you serious?

Ron Paul has built his campaign on respect for the rule of law and the Constitution. Lawyers build their careers off of the rule of law and the Constitution.

In fact, during Alexis De Tocqueville's visit to America he wrote entire chapters in his book about the importance of lawyers to America's democracy.

"IN visiting the Americans and studying their laws, we perceive that the authority they have entrusted to members of the legal profession, and the influence; that these individuals exercise in the government, are the most powerful existing security against the excesses of democracy" - Tocqueville

"Lawyers belong to the people by birth and interest, and to the aristocracy by habit and taste; they may be looked upon as the connecting link between the two great classes of society." - Tocqueville

For more on why he thought lawyers were crucial to a successful democracy see this link which is directly from his writings. (Scroll down a little bit to Chapter 16).
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/1_ch16.htm
 
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Well as a law student, you might want to study your state's Constitution, because most expressly forbid Lawyers from running for elected positions. Yes it's true, even if it is never enforced. Take a look!
 
So garrettwombat, what happens to your theory when Ron Paul legalizes the constitution, and hence, drugs. No more drug dealers making huge sums of cash, they are out of the picture aren't they?

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Well as a law student, you might want to study your state's Constitution, because most expressly forbid Lawyers from running for elected positions. Yes it's true, even if it is never enforced. Take a look!

When Ron Paul brings back the Constitution who's going to enforce it if not lawyers? Again a Tocqueville quote; "Armed with the power of declaring the laws to be unconstitutional, the American magistrate perpetually interferes in political affairs. He cannot force the people to make laws, but at least he can oblige them not to disobey their own enactments and not to be inconsistent with themselves."

Of the 55 delegates to the first U.S. Constitutional Convention 35 were lawyers http://www.dunamai.com/articles/American_History/founding_fathers.htm

And as you can see the vast majority of our founding fathers and early Presidents were lawyers
1 George Washington Surveyor, Farmer/plantation owner, Soldier (General of United Army of the Colonies)
2 John Adams Lawyer
3 Thomas Jefferson Writer, Inventor, Lawyer, Architect, Farmer
4 James Madison Lawyer
5 James Monroe Lawyer
6 John Quincy Adams Lawyer
7 Andrew Jackson Soldier, Lawyer
8 Martin Van Buren Lawyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_previous_occupation
 
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this thread makes something else more clear now... our local paper listed the delegate candidates for the 8th district in Illinois - read this list and read the names and occupations of the delegate candidates for the other presidential candidates...

Republicans fill presidential, delegate slates
December 8, 2007
NEWS-SUN STAFF REPORT

Candidate slates filing Wednesday included:

Eighth Congressional District:

(Paul) Nicholas Betzold, McHenry; Kevin Watts, Hoffman Estates; and Robert Schlereth, Lake Zurich.

(Thompson) State Sen. Matt Murphy of Palatine; former state Rep. Robert Churchill of Lake Villa; John Biestek of Hawthorn Woods.

(Giuliani) McHenry County Sheriff Keith Nygren, Hebron; state Rep. Ed Sullivan Jr. of Mundelein; and Ruth Munson, Elgin.

(Huckabee) Former Gurnee Trustee Mark Ratfelders; Grace Dolan of Hoffman Estates; Tom Morrison of Palatine.

Tenth Congressional District:

(Paul) Michael J. Myers of Deerfield; Paul M. Carlson of Arlington Heights; Craig L. Swanson of Arlington Heights.

(Giuliani) State Rep. Suzanne Bassi of Palatine; former Cook County Republican Park Chairman Gary Skoien, Inverness; Mark W. Peterson, Lincolnshire.

(Huckabee) Mohan Manian, Libertyville; Jennifer Baty, Arlington Heights; Phil Collins, North Chicago.

Thompson's 10th District slate filed last week, as did slates for Romney and McCain in both the county's congressional districts.

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This kind of has me worried...1, because of the aforementioned corruption...and 2, because of the tendency of undecided people to look at the list of names and see something that stands out in their mind and choose it for no other reason. Should the campaign have made more of an effort at getting "reputable" names as delegates vs. normal unknown names?
 
listen if any of you think for a second lawyers defend anything other than there client you guys are nuts...

a lawyer does not and cannot up hold the constitution.
only the jury or judge can.

a lawyer goes through thousands of state and local government laws and ordinances

"a lawyer is never wrong."
remember that statement and it is true because there are hundreds of loop holes in the system

when i talk about commisioners, sheriffs, or the mayor you do not need to know the law... when your a judge you do... the judge rules over the lawyers so even if you are a lawyer defending the law and the constitution , the judge and jury is the one you have to please.

im talking about local government here to people, stop bringing up presidents.
why on earth would anyone want a lawyer for local government other than a judge position????
 
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Why do you make such a big deal of sheriffs? A sheriff doesn't do much except go around and serve papers-- glorified messenger boy.
 
Why do you make such a big deal of sheriffs? A sheriff doesn't do much except go around and serve papers-- glorified messenger boy.

well i dont really make a big deal about them... im mainly talking of commissioners in my message.

the sheriff does play his roll in all of it though. he can take bribes from crooks and he is the big boss so the deputies, police officers, marshals, and detectives are all under him if you catch my drift.
 
the sheriff does play his roll in all of it though. he can take bribes from crooks and he is the big boss so the deputies, police officers, marshals, and detectives are all under him if you catch my drift.

Sheriffs must do something different in your part of the country. Hmm.
 
As a current law student and Ron Paul supporter this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen posted on this message board in a long time.
- Don't elect lawyers to local positions???? Are you serious?....

Obviously you're in on it. :rolleyes:
 
So garrettwombat, what happens to your theory when Ron Paul legalizes the constitution

the sad thing is this is no theory... go ahead and run yourself, you will start to see a situation become surprisingly similar
 
You guys should watch the Showtime (HBO? I forget) series called The Wire. It is about Baltimore, written by a journalist who has been reporting on and exposing Baltimore's politicians, drug dealers, and yes, construction companies for 20 years, and it is in the "realistic fiction" genre, in that most of it is based on real life stories and so could and does happen. I understand exactly what the original poster is talking about, and I'm not sure how much it applies to smaller towns, but cities with population 1 million+, states, and the country... he's speaking the truth.

Corruption is like the arteries, veins, and backbone of politics... it lets the blood money flow to all the right parts, and the whole system would fall in a day if it ever happened to go away - that's why I'm so excited about Ron Paul - I think we'll be seeing a truly free and 100% capitalist society in our lifetimes.
 
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