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Hello,
I've been following the recent events and even i'm shocked, but I see the debate of whether to stick with the GOP or leave them is dividing Ron Paul supporters so I thought i'd share a similar situation we have over in the United Kingdom with our Conservative Party.
Basically, the party is just like the GOP and has been for years - it completely ignores the voters, ignores the party supporters and is run by a closed group who have control and influence with all of the media networks and newspapers (again, just like the GOP). Now, in recent years since the election of David Cameron as party leader (who rubs Conservative supporters faces in the mud even more so than ever before) there's been a split forming with many deserting the party and joining the newly arisen UKIP (UK Independence Party).
A few years ago, UKIP would only poll 2% or 3% in the national polls yet now it's on 8% and 10% (unprecedented in our political system which is dominated by two large parties) and defections by both voters, activists and leading figures themselves happen weekly now. Indeed, it's now widely accepted that the Conservative Party, which hasn't won an election since 1992, cannot win an election ever again unless it wins back UKIP voters - something I cannot see happening.
So whats our aim over here in Great Britain? we're aiming to destroy the Conservative Party by depriving it of wins so that it folds and UKIP or some other new party can replace it. We tried 'reforming it from the inside' but it was impossible, as (and see the similarity here) the Conservative Party started centralising candidate selection where the leadership would overrule the candidates the party members voted for and replaced them with candidates loyal to the leadership - meaning any hopes of 'reform' are virtually impossible.
I always thought the American system of political parties was much more decentralised so that you actually had a chance of taking over the party, but after seeing the events of the past few months and days, I can't say that so surely anymore. Either way, it's up to you as you'll know best but i'm simply sharing the similar experience we're having here in Great Britain. Here's an article on what i'm talking about; http://conservativehome.blogs.com/p...d-without-a-ukip-deal-warns-danhannanmep.html
Essentially, they won't listen as long as they can win - if you prevent them from winning by taking away votes, they'll have to listen eventually or they'll simply implode as a party. Something to think about.
Thoughts?
I've been following the recent events and even i'm shocked, but I see the debate of whether to stick with the GOP or leave them is dividing Ron Paul supporters so I thought i'd share a similar situation we have over in the United Kingdom with our Conservative Party.
Basically, the party is just like the GOP and has been for years - it completely ignores the voters, ignores the party supporters and is run by a closed group who have control and influence with all of the media networks and newspapers (again, just like the GOP). Now, in recent years since the election of David Cameron as party leader (who rubs Conservative supporters faces in the mud even more so than ever before) there's been a split forming with many deserting the party and joining the newly arisen UKIP (UK Independence Party).
A few years ago, UKIP would only poll 2% or 3% in the national polls yet now it's on 8% and 10% (unprecedented in our political system which is dominated by two large parties) and defections by both voters, activists and leading figures themselves happen weekly now. Indeed, it's now widely accepted that the Conservative Party, which hasn't won an election since 1992, cannot win an election ever again unless it wins back UKIP voters - something I cannot see happening.
So whats our aim over here in Great Britain? we're aiming to destroy the Conservative Party by depriving it of wins so that it folds and UKIP or some other new party can replace it. We tried 'reforming it from the inside' but it was impossible, as (and see the similarity here) the Conservative Party started centralising candidate selection where the leadership would overrule the candidates the party members voted for and replaced them with candidates loyal to the leadership - meaning any hopes of 'reform' are virtually impossible.
I always thought the American system of political parties was much more decentralised so that you actually had a chance of taking over the party, but after seeing the events of the past few months and days, I can't say that so surely anymore. Either way, it's up to you as you'll know best but i'm simply sharing the similar experience we're having here in Great Britain. Here's an article on what i'm talking about; http://conservativehome.blogs.com/p...d-without-a-ukip-deal-warns-danhannanmep.html
Essentially, they won't listen as long as they can win - if you prevent them from winning by taking away votes, they'll have to listen eventually or they'll simply implode as a party. Something to think about.
Thoughts?
I was about to say that I'd love to elect some UKIP members in the U.S., except the party needs some help on the right to bear arms. UKIP is still the best thing going in the UK, though. ...Now I think I'll go watch the video again of Godfrey Bloom standing in Parliament and calling Al Gore a crook.... 
Ban people from wearing certain clothes that they dont like. Schools must teach things that are congruent with British values as defined by the state. All can be found here in their manifesto. 
