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6 economists on why Ron Paul’s Fed audit idea is wrong

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6 economists on why Ron Paul’s Fed audit idea is wrong

Posted by: James Pethokoukis
Tags: Uncategorized, Federal Reserve, Ron Paul
I asked a half dozen economists who are very concerned about Federal Reserve independence what they thought about Rep. Ron Paul’s bill to audit the Fed. This was my specific question: “Given that Congress can already grill the Fed chairman during Humphrey-Hawkins (and occasional other congressional appearances), how would a GAO audit really threaten Fed independence in practical terms?”
Here is what they told me:
Robert Schiller, Yale University:
The GAO audit proposal is from Ron Paul, who has advocated abolishing the Fed and returning to the gold standard. Maybe people think that this is his foot in the door, a first step in the plan. When King Louis 16 called for a meeting of the Estates General in France, it led to a chain of events that resulted in his beheading!
Lee Ohanian, UCLA
My view is that there is a major difference between general economic questions from Congress to a Fed that isn’t open to a GAO audit and that doesn’t get its budget from Congress, versus a detailed audit by the GAO, which would create an explicit Congressional assessment of Fed operating procedures. An important reason why so many economists argue for independence is because there is substantial cross-country evidence that Central Banks which are more closely tied to the legislature have much higher inflation rates than in highly independent Central Banks. I do think Congress should be able to ask questions of the Fed during regular testimony, and Chairman Bernanke has certainly done more than his predecessors to explain what the Fed is doing and why.
James Hamilton, UC-San Diego
My own concern is not about a specific step such as a proposed audit but rather is a response to what I see as a changing political climate in which I fear it will be more difficult for the Fed to withstand pressure to monetize the deficit.
You ask, why should we be concerned about an audit if we’re not concerned about Congress grilling representatives of the Fed? My answer is, I am concerned about the manner in which Congress has been grilling representatives of the Fed.
Anil Kashyap, University of Chicago
An audit suggests that they can force them to supply all the background information in real time that goes into a decision and presumably compel all members of the FOMC to share their thinking on any issue in real time. This information is disclosed after 5 years, with good reason.
The spirit of the Paul bill seems to be that having FOMC meetings live on C-SPAN would be best way to make monetary policy. That would be a disaster. (Akin not just to having Supreme Court arguments on TV but also the process of them writing the decisions being televised.)
You want people to be able to change their mind and to be able to vigorously debate all sides of an issue. If you put all this in public and subject to immediate second guessing it will shut down the give and take that is critical to reaching good decisions.
Michael Woodford, Columbia University
The level of intrusiveness of the GAO would surely be significantly greater — indeed, there would be no point to this proposal, given Humphrey-Hawkins, if it were not the intention of the bill’s proponents to exert Congressional control of monetary policy decisions in a way that the Humphrey-Hawkins testimony alone does not allow them to.
It is important to remember that the GAO already has the authority to audit the Fed, and does, except that the bill giving the GAO this authority in 1978 specifically excluded certain aspects of the Fed’s activities from GAO audits — essentially, decisions about monetary policy. The only purpose of the new bill is therefore to decrease the Fed’s independence with regard to monetary policy decisions.
Considerable historical experience suggests that political interference with monetary policy decisions can lead to regrettable outcomes — which is why Congress itself decided to forswear such interference. The dangers are especially great at a moment like the present one, when the prospect of large government deficits for years to come could easily make short-sighted decisions to use monetary policy to facilitate the financing of those deficits all too tempting. It is ironic that many of the proponents of reining in the Fed claim that their concern is preventing the Fed from further weakening the value of the currency, when the opposite would almost certainly be the consequence of their bill if passed.
Michael Feroli, JPMorgan
That’s a fair question. At H-H the Chairman is accountable for the Fed’s decisions. But I do think there is a distinction between asking questions and having all the conversations audited. For one, that could stifle the openness of the debate: to take an example, the Chairman always has to dance around the issue of NAIRU because it can be misperceived by economically illiterate members of Congress as meaning the Fed wants to engineer a certain amount of unemployment.
With audited conversations, the debate could become stilted. I think a GAO audit would also risk appearing as an official verdict on Fed decisions, as opposed to twenty different Congressmen questioning the Fed, which is much more clearly the opinions of some politicians. Finally, even if the step isn’t a major one, it’s a move in the wrong direction: if the markets and foreign investors perceive it that way, it could immediately push up borrowing costs even if theaudit are only a symbolic increasing of Congressional oversight of monetary policy.
 
In other words, auditing the Fed could be bad but keeping the Fed is certainly bad.
 
I have a bad feeling that if the bill was passed, people would blame the economy not recovering on the bill.

A big problem is the way these people talk about how congress would affect the Fed's decisions. They are assuming that the people making decisions in the Fed will be as corrupt as most congressman are, in that they will make decisions based on getting reelected rather than what's actually good for the country. What we need is either a Fed chairman who isn't concerned about reappointment, or a president who actually agrees with our point of a view (then if the chairman wanted to be reappointed he could just do what the president would want).
 
Robert Schiller, Yale University:
The GAO audit proposal is from Ron Paul, who has advocated abolishing the Fed and returning to the gold standard. Maybe people think that this is his foot in the door, a first step in the plan. When King Louis 16 called for a meeting of the Estates General in France, it led to a chain of events that resulted in his beheading!​
So you're saying if Paul continues down this path he might end up beheaded. Should we be taking this as a threat?
Jeez.
 
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How many Nobel Peace Prize Economists did John Stossel have on his 20/20 show that ruled against all the Bailouts and FED? Wasn't there 6 in the crowd, not just Economist, Nobel Winners!

How come the Obama/FED Shill (PETHOKOUKIS) doesn't report about those economists?

Yeah, We got this Propagandist's number: Obama Chicagoan MSM Propagandists and he's is kicking out article after article to KILL 1207 for Reuters, CBNC, etc...

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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=202431&highlight=PETHOKOUKIS

Another Jefferey Immelt - GE/NBC/CNBC Bobblehead! Oh, but it get's even better. Quote:
"...graduate of Northwestern University"

Your Chicago Corruption Connection to Keynesian Kook Economics (NWU) and Cronies of Chicago Liberals, Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, et al

The Usual Suspects... I love GOOGLE, it's easy to find this shills true colors! (CNBC) ;)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/24731756 <=== CNBC Shill

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JAMES PETHOKOUKIS
Money & Politics Columnist
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James Pethokoukis is the Money & Politics columnist and blogger for Reuters where he covers the nexus of Washington and Wall Street.

Previously he was the economics columnist and business editor at U.S.News & World Report magazine. Pethokoukis is also an official CNBC contributor and appears frequently on that network's Kudlow Report, Power Lunch, and The Call shows.

A 1989 graduate of Northwestern University where he double majored in Soviet politics and American history and a 1991 graduate of the Medill School of Journalism, Pethokoukis is a 2002 Jeopardy!champion.

Pethokoukis can be reached at [email protected].
 
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Maybe somebody should email him and ask him to talk to FIVE prized economists who do support Ron Paul's bill, and post that to his blog.

Why is he shilling so much. Surely, there are a few hundred economists that support Ron's bill.
 
This country's a toilet. These are the so-called experts? No fucking wonder we're eating shit burgers.

When Congress asks questions of the chairman of the Fed, that chairman can (and does) just lie his ass off because he's above the law, vs a full audit that precludes a lying bastard's bullshit answers to Congress.

Sounds like a great idea to espouse if you're vested in the Fed's shady activities.

Fuck what these dunces think, 75% of Americans think otherwise.

That would be game, set and match.

Since when do a few losers who work for or used to work for the Fed get to puke out a simpleton opinion to trump the will of the people.

I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE HELL MY $12 TRILLION WENT, you BLITHERING IMBECILES!

Bosso
 
Reverse it! Bernanke and the FED would be receiving the beheading.
Makes more sense that way.

Though I think we would all settle for exile to a small pacific island where Bernanke and Co could setup their own central bank and try to force the natives to use their fiat banknotes in place of the native shiny shell based money.

No need to repeat the French Revolution.
 
I sent an email to [email protected] asking him to speak with 6 economist who agree to present both sides of the argument. He replied within 5 minutes with "Give me some names". Everyone should politley email him some suggestions.
 
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An economist from Columbia University that opposes Ron Paul's bill. What a shocker! That school, at least as it seems, is virtually worthless for free discussion and open-mindedness. If you aren't diehard socialist, it doesn't seem like you'll survive. Don't take offense if you've gone there, just calling it as I see it.
 
How many Nobel Peace Prize Economists did John Stossel have on his 20/20 show that ruled against all the Bailouts and FED? Wasn't there 6 in the crowd, not just Economist, Nobel Winners!

How come the Obama/FED Shill (PETHOKOUKIS) doesn't report about those economists?

Yeah, We got this Propagandist's number: Obama Chicagoan MSM Propagandists and he's is kicking out article after article to KILL 1207 for Reuters, CBNC, etc...

**************************************************************************
From this thread: H.R. 1207 Hit Piece:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=202431&highlight=PETHOKOUKIS

Another Jefferey Immelt - GE/NBC/CNBC Bobblehead! Oh, but it get's even better. Quote:
"...graduate of Northwestern University"

Your Chicago Corruption Connection to Keynesian Kook Economics (NWU) and Cronies of Chicago Liberals, Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, et al

The Usual Suspects... I love GOOGLE, it's easy to find this shills true colors! (CNBC) ;)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/24731756 <=== CNBC Shill

Pethokoukis_James_Bio_2008.jpg
cnbc_logo.jpg

JAMES PETHOKOUKIS
Money & Politics Columnist
Reuters
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James Pethokoukis is the Money & Politics columnist and blogger for Reuters where he covers the nexus of Washington and Wall Street.

Previously he was the economics columnist and business editor at U.S.News & World Report magazine. Pethokoukis is also an official CNBC contributor and appears frequently on that network's Kudlow Report, Power Lunch, and The Call shows.

A 1989 graduate of Northwestern University where he double majored in Soviet politics and American history and a 1991 graduate of the Medill School of Journalism, Pethokoukis is a 2002 Jeopardy!champion.

Pethokoukis can be reached at [email protected].


Krugman is a Nobel winner. Just saying.
 
Krugman is a Nobel winner. Just saying.

If you got the point from John Stossel... He referenced the Obama Adminstration and their Nobel Economist Paul Krugman as the justification from Keynesian Spending into the trillions.

Stossel's rebuttal was ... well President Obama... here's 6 Nobel Economist that are AGAINST the BAILOUTS, STIMULUS, and SOCIALISM.

if anything it's to slap that ONE Lefty Liberal Nobel Hack, that's buddies with his old bud Wall st. Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago Connection of corruption.

So the scales go both ways, but looking at it all who is it to preserve? Government and the TOO BIG TO FAIL Mega Banks and Wall Street with People's money.


there's a ton more... but Krugman is a Marxist Lefty Obama hack... at a very liberal leaning MSM outlet. You have to look at: WHO GAINS/WINS something out of stealing from one group and given to another?

Yeah I think we all know Krugman is the Democratic Pivot boy in this Obama Media Circle Jerk.
 
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Most of the economists are Keynesians and are pretty much in agreement.
Have to send some reps from Austrian economics.
Pethakooky probably doesn't know the difference.

Dr. Walter Williams and Peter Schiff would be good ones.
So would Jim Rodgers and Friedman.
 
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I sent an email to [email protected] asking him to speak with 6 economist who agree to present both sides of the argument. He replied within 5 minutes with "Give me some names". Everyone should politley email him some suggestions.

I made a comment today on his blog and also had a back and forth with him, where he failed to provide the name of the economist.
 
If secrecy really works for the Fed, lets make police better and put the police out of any political presure. Lets make police actions secretive and above the law. /sarcasm
 
this is why i love college..............every day im in class i get to school "economists" on economics.

the revolution is brewing
 
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