1.3 Million Jobless Americans Lose Benefits Today

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WESTMINSTER, Calif. (AP) - The end of unemployment checks for more than a million people on Saturday is driving out-of-work Americans to consider selling cars, moving and taking minimum wage work after already slashing household budgets and pawning personal possessions to make ends meet.

Greg and Barbara Chastain of Huntington Beach, Calif., put their two teenagers on the school lunch program and cut back on dining out after losing their T-shirt company in June following a dispute with an investor. They've exhausted their state unemployment benefits and now that the federal extensions are gone, unless they find jobs the couple plans take their children out of their high school in January and relocate 50 miles east where a relative owns property so they can save on rent

"We could let one of our cars go, but then you can't get to work - it's a never-ending cycle," 43-year-old Greg Chastain said while accompanying his wife to an Orange County employment center. He said they eventually may try their luck in a less expensive state like Arizona or Texas if he can land a manufacturing job there.

The end to the five-year program that extended benefits for the long-term jobless affected 1.3 million people immediately and will affect hundreds of thousands more who remain jobless in the months ahead. Under the program, the federal government provided an average monthly stipend of $1,166.

While the Obama administration and Democrats in Congress want to continue the program, the extensions were dropped from a budget deal struck earlier this month and Republican lawmakers have balked at its $26 billion annual cost.

The end of the program may prompt a drop in the nation's unemployment rate, but not necessarily for a good reason. People out of work are required to look for work to receive unemployment benefits. As benefits disappear, some jobless will stop looking for work out of frustration and will no longer be counted as unemployed.

The trend has already emerged in North Carolina, which started cutting off extended benefits in July. The state's unemployment rate went down - from 8.8 percent in June to 7.4 percent in November- even though the number of North Carolinians who said they had jobs rose only slightly in that time.

The North Carolina evidence is consistent with the theory that ending benefits will cause some unemployed to drop out of the workforce, said Michael Feroli, an economist at JP Morgan Chase.

That's what Fed chairman Ben Bernanke meant when he said this month that the end of extended benefits "will bring the unemployment rate down, but for ... the wrong reason."

Some unemployed people said the loss of benefits might drive them to take minimum wage jobs to get by until they can find work at their skill level and in their field.

Richard Mattos, 59, of Salem, Ore., has been out of work since March, when he was laid off as a case manager at a social services organization. Without the unemployment income, Mattos said he and his wife will have enough money for one month's worth of bills. Almost every day, he visits employment centers run by the state of Oregon or Goodwill Industries International.

"I don't know what we're going to do," he said. "We could end up homeless because of this."

State Cut off Dec. 28 Cut off June 2014
District of Columbia 4,600 6,800
Virginia 9,700 31,900
Maryland 22,900 28,500

Since 2008, the federal program paid out benefits to the unemployed after their 26 weeks of state benefits ran out. At its peak, the program offered up to 73 weeks of federal benefits - which are typically offered during periods of high unemployment - to the long-term jobless.

James Sherk, a labor policy analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said ending the extensions could induce workers to take jobs they might have overlooked initially. Extended unemployment benefits can give workers "a false sense of how much time they have before they have to start broadening their net to less than ideal positions," he said, adding that the labor market, while not ideal, is stronger and continues to improve.

In November, the country's unemployment rate fell to a five-year low of 7 percent, but is still above the 5 percent to 6 percent rate that would signal a normal job market. And long-term unemployment remains a problem for the economy as nearly 4.1 million Americans have been out of work for six months or more.

Deborah Barrett, a 57-year-old resident of Newport, R.I., is one of them. She was laid off from her management job in accounting in February and has sent out hundreds of resumes since. She said doesn't know how she'll get by without the federal assistance.

"It's petrifying," she said. "Unfortunately, I don't believe my story is very unique."

Laura Garay, 57, pawned her jewelry, withdrew retirement funds and relied on support from friends after losing her paralegal job in May, the same month she was diagnosed with lymphoma.

Her monthly $1,700 in unemployment covers her house payment in Westminster and the cost of maintaining her health insurance to cover a barrage of exams and radiation therapy.

Garay said her illness set back her job search, but as long as she's healthy, she'll work at just about anything to get back on her feet and avoid being jobless for too long.

"You don't find a job in two weeks, you don't find a job in three weeks," she said. "You find a job after months of searching."

I have a strong suspicious feeling that we are about to receive a Half Truth News Report that says "Good News about the Economy" as Unemployment Rates have dropped. The Half Truth comes from the fact that the people who are Unemployed have NOT found any form of work what so ever. People are taught to only care about the "Official Number" which is how the Truth is twisted to become a Lie.
 
So... The first family mentioned in the article. They lost their business 6 months ago. So if they were SE how did they qualify for state UE anyway? And in six months the only lifestyle change they made was less eating out and putting the kiddies into the government funded lunch program? What about looking for work? Now they're looking but only because the freebies are gone. Fuck these people. This is the problem right here.
 
Very true.

Why bother looking when the benefits for some people will bring in more money than an actual job, at say McDonalds or WalMarx? What incentive is there for them to go back to work when the little work that does exist does not pay as well as either the benefits or the previous job? I hate to say it but this places the blame of the economic collapse on the victims. Im not trying to say what they are doing is either right or wrong, but merely point out that people respond to incentives, and that there has been a decrease in incentives to work and existence in work itself.
 
There's work. People just are unwilling to leave their comfort zones.
 
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I hate to say it but this places the blame of the economic collapse on the victims.

Yep. This is exactly what will happen. Should be interesting to see numbers reporting and then various opinion pieces to come on the subject.

What do you think about the fact that industrial Age infrastructure is becoming obsolete? It's a fact. We have robots building themselves and then doing the work that people used to do.
 
There's work. People just are unwilling to leave their comfort zones.

Right. But doing what? Catering to some fat bastard in the fast food line just to accomadate a dangerous infrastructure like these process food companies and big pharma? If I was unemployed I'd be damed if I would. I loath what many of these companies stand for. Much less go work for them.

Really. Doing what? There is a lot of unemployed people. In the U.S. that is.
 
Right. But doing what? Catering to some fat bastard in the fast food line just to accomadate a dangerous infrastructure like these process food companies and big pharma? If I was unemployed I'd be damed if I would. I loath what many of these companies stand for. Much less go work for them.

Really. Doing what? There is a lot of unemployed people. In the U.S. that is.
South Dakota oil and gas laborer jobs. 60k. And that's if you're unskilled and stupid.
 
South Dakota oil and gas laborer jobs. 60k. And that's if you're unskilled and stupid.
I totally agree with kathy88, there are jobs to be had and the better ones might require one to get up off their asses and go to them. Drawing a check and hanging out on the beach for a couple of years makes it harder...
 
South Dakota oil and gas laborer jobs. 60k. And that's if you're unskilled and stupid.

Yeah but what if I'm a tree hugger and want to run my car on water like these folks in Japan...well...before that unfortunate and timely tsunami. :rolleyes:

Have to have principles. You know?

 
Yes, there is work out there - IF you're willing to move somewhere else to retain your standard of living.

Overall, this is a lose-lose situation. On one hand, everyone loses if the gov't continues to devalue our money by printing more to pay for things like endless unemployment benefits. On the other hand, everyone loses because those having their benefits cut off will be forced to accept wage deflation (or moving somewhere else and probably having to find a new line of work), which will end up affecting everyone by means of a domino effect. No matter what, we ALL grow more poor and our standard of living falls.
 
I totally agree with kathy88, there are jobs to be had and the better ones might require one to get up off their asses and go to them. Drawing a check and hanging out on the beach for a couple of years makes it harder...


She's right. I'm not saying that she isn't. It's dying infrastructure though (oil and gas). It's a travesty that these tycoons kill economies and set countries on fire just to force people to work in these industries and impede innovation elsewhere.
 
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Yeah but what if I'm a tree hugger and want to run my car on water like these folks in Japan...well...before that unfortunate and timely tsunami. :rolleyes:

Have to have principles. You know?


Then get a job trolling RPFs. Lots of tree huggers doing that these days!
 
Greg and Barbara Chastain of Huntington Beach, Calif., put their two teenagers on the school lunch program and cut back on dining out after losing their T-shirt company in June following a dispute with an investor.

Since when are the owners of a failed business allowed to draw unemployment?
 
There's work. People just are unwilling to leave their comfort zones.

That hasn't really been my experience. I finally find a government temp job and then the eliminate it because the problem was with the system not the users. I'll shovel dogshit no problem. Are you hiring? Because almost nobody else is.
 
Jobs Americans won't do. That's why we need Mexicans.

Did you know that tech firms want to bring in Mexicans under the illusion of immigration reform so that they can monitor your speech on the web? True story. It's slick too how they spin it. I had a thread around here some place about it. Zuckerberg was in on it. I think he was meeting with some politicians here and there to figger on it.

Everyone thinks they're going to come plant lettuce or something. It's a hoot.
 
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That hasn't really been my experience. I finally find a government temp job and then the eliminate it because the problem was with the system not the users. I'll shovel dogshit no problem. Are you hiring? Because almost nobody else is.

Yep. That one job were were talking about in private a while back had over a hundred people going after it.
 
That hasn't really been my experience. I finally find a government temp job and then the eliminate it because the problem was with the system not the users. I'll shovel dogshit no problem. Are you hiring? Because almost nobody else is.

Gunny if you are willing to relocate I could have you a good IT gig. PM me.
 
There's work. People just are unwilling to leave their comfort zones.

Whats comfortable about bringing home less money? For the 1%, it wont affect, but for those who already can not afford to live, any sort of a reduction in income (whether from Unemployment or from a Job) is an incentive to not go down the financial mobility ladder any further than they already are. A real incentive would be to be offered a full time job that paid better than the Unemployment offers.

MSM claims the Depression is over because Wall Street has recovered. We know the opposite to be true. Wall Street recovered at the expense of Main Street. Most of the jobs lost were Middle Class jobs. Most of the jobs created are Part Time Minimum Wage jobs. Leaving ones comfort zone seems to be the same as suggesting that people should should give up a 50k a year job in favor of working at McDonalds.

Your claim that there is work may be true, but much of it depends on perspective. I dont believe there is that much work, nor does the work that is available pay anywhere as well as it used to. Detroit has obviously not recovered. And I certainly do not expect that I'll have any better luck finding work in Detroit.

The thread was intended to suggest that the Official Unemployment Rates (U3) are about to drop dramatically and that MSM is going to twist this information to falsely state that the economy has fully recovered. I do not believe the economy has fully recovered if a person is a member of the 99%.
 
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