Wesker1982

Thnx for the RP quote in that +rep message. Made it part of my sig.

Congratulations!

It's true that government is not the State, but the common man thinks the two are the same, so I use them that way in casual conversation. Rothbard's definition of the State is nearly identical to Bourne's and Oppenheimer's, and I think they are all good ways to think about it and distinguish it from the government. The wikipedia page on Voluntaryism is pretty good IMHO. gtg for now, but feel free to keep this conversation going if you like. It's pretty interesting.

Voluntaryism maintains that participation in government can and should be entirely voluntary. This does not necessitate abolition of government(which anarchy requires), but a "perestroika" (restructuring) of government so that individuals can choose how they want to interact with government, if at all. The wikipedia summary is pretty good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism and the Voluntaryist manifesto is a great read (though google can't seem to find it anymore). There are also back issues of the now-defunct "The Voluntaryist" newsletter published online on several sites. Is there an easy way to save pms to text files or something? I have to clean out my box, but I don't want to waste a lot of time if I don't have to.

Oh I definitely know where you're coming from. Heh.

Haha, yeah - it's quite obvious.

Where you can order a cookbook: http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/html/orderonline.html (That is his official site.)

Please help! I'm counting on RPF! http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=251175