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Young Americans for Liberty going woke & neocon?

Occam's Banana

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[UPDATED: see below - OB]

What's going on at Young Americans for Liberty (formerly known as "Students for Ron Paul")?

Apparently, there's some kind of wokish neocon takeover afoot (if not fait accompli) ...

https://twitter.com/realTJRoberts/status/1490817926886215680
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https://twitter.com/ThoBishop/status/1490753749630992387
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https://twitter.com/ThoBishop/status/1490754693143924743
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UPDATE:

Occam's Banana said:
SoundCloud: TNGP Ep. 436: Reed Cooley by The No Gimmicks Podcast

Apple/iTunes: The No Gimmicks Podcast: TNGP Ep. 436: Reed Cooley on Apple Podcasts

https://twitter.com/nogimmickspod/status/1493284151449067526
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https://twitter.com/ThoBishop/status/1490836782778359815
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I actually think she has a point in her email. Messaging is important and the art of persuasion, you have to think about how other people interpret your messaging.
 
spudea said:
I actually think she has a point in her email. Messaging is important and the art of persuasion, you have to think about how other people interpret your messaging.
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Persuasion is a waste of time. You have lost the moment you concede that you must persuade your enemies of anything.

The enemies of liberty will not be persuaded by any messaging, no matter how artful it may be.

Massie's "message" is one of bold declaration, not coy persuasion - and we need more of that, not less.

We sure has hell don't need more namby-pamby "but, but, think about how other people might interpret it" blather.

So long as other people "interpret" it as a clear "go to hell" to the gun-grabbers, that is all that is needed.

Anything else beyond that (such as anyone being "persuaded") is just a bonus.
 
The YAL lost me back in the day with their strident anti-truther position. They've always been more about "mainstreaming" than principles.
 
Occam's Banana said:
Persuasion is a waste of time. You have lost the moment you concede that you must persuade your enemies of anything.

The enemies of liberty will not be persuaded by any messaging, no matter how artful it may be.

Massie's "message" is one of bold declaration, not coy persuasion - and we need more of that, not less.

We sure has hell don't need more namby-pamby "but, but, think about how other people might interpret it" blather.

So long as other people "interpret" it as a clear "go to hell" to the gun-grabbers, that is all that is needed.

Anything else beyond that (such as anyone being "persuaded") is just a bonus.
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So, to me, this is more of the circular firing squad that has plagued the liberty movement for ages. You want to package the message a different way to try to attract more people?? Fine. But why feel the need to criticize those supposedly on your own side for communicating in their own manner??? It's like they understand the principles of liberty in theory, but can't put it into practice. EVERYONE takes a different path.

The way she probably should have handled that was to say that Massie is right on his principles, although she would have packaged it differently. But that's what makes liberty so unifying. We don't have to agree on messaging. Different people are open to different messaging. As long as the principles are right, we can stay in alignment.

I hate to say it, but we can often fall into this same trap, too. I prefer Massie's bold declaration over her coy persuasion techniques, but that's me. But I try to be very careful to not allow my own preference to further divide those on our side.

All that being said, if/when they start to veer away from principles in an attempt to persuade, that's where intervention is necessary. If they start advocating for anti-liberty red-flag laws or illegal foreign interventions they need to be called out. In this thread, though, all I'm seeing is messaging differences.
 
Anyone trying to find basic commonality with the right is immediately shouted down and denounced as impurists, while in the same breath, we are expected to bend over backwards and twist ourselves into knots to attract those from the left.

People only change their minds when *they* are ready to. Try too hard, and they may end up changing yours.

That's what happened to YAL. I guess years of "DON'T TALK TO HIM! HE'S A RIGHT WINGER!" and "Bruh, let me introduce my fam, we met in our 13th year of university in a Social Justice Warrior studies class." took its toll on the organization.
 
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Occam's Banana said:
Persuasion is a waste of time. You have lost the moment you concede that you must persuade your enemies of anything.

The enemies of liberty will not be persuaded by any messaging, no matter how artful it may be.

Massie's "message" is one of bold declaration, not coy persuasion - and we need more of that, not less.

We sure has hell don't need more namby-pamby "but, but, think about how other people might interpret it" blather.

So long as other people "interpret" it as a clear "go to hell" to the gun-grabbers, that is all that is needed.

Anything else beyond that (such as anyone being "persuaded") is just a bonus.
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One of the best posts I have ever read here on RPF!
 
spudea said:
I actually think she has a point in her email. Messaging is important and the art of persuasion, you have to think about how other people interpret your messaging.
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The only people who are "scared" of guns are people who vehemently oppose the 2A. There is no reason to temper any kind of messaging to "appeal" to them, as the only thing that it results in is the furtherance of their agenda.

There is nothing "scary" about Massie's Christmas card. The only thing "scary" about Massie's Christmas card is his unwavering support of the 2A.

More than that, my gut instinct from what I've read so far is that Lauren probably isn't pro-2A at all. She just claims to be as that has been YAL's legacy so far. I could be wrong on this, but I doubt it. I know Lauren's type and if she thinks "scary guns" is a legitimate argument, then I can almost guarantee that automatic weapons are "scary" to her, felons with guns are "scary" to her, and for fucks sure she sure as shit doesnt want private citizens owning C4 or rocket launchers ("shall not be infringed" anyone?).
 
Swordsmyth said:
This is what comes of being friendly with the left.
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Pretty much this.

The Left has gotten extremely skilled at bitching and moaning and whining about random shit to effectively force others into compliance.

And every time we let them get away with that shit, they win.

"We are oft to blame in this, 'tis too much proved, that with devotion's visage, and pious action we do sugar o'er the devil himself."
 
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Seems like the YAL website has been updated since last night. Last night the only staff member listed was Lauren Daugherty.

This may be a problem:

Sean Themea
Chief of Staff

A recovering Democrat, Sean discovered YAL during his senior year of college. He quickly earned the title of New York State Chair, and doubled the size of New York’s YAL campus presence. After serving as Midwest Regional Director, Sean focused in on taking YAL’s fundraising to the next level, helping grow the organization from $3 million to nearly $13 million in just 3 years.
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