Wtf!!!!

[Akus]

"I don't believe the gov't should control everything. If a country club wants to exclude blacks they should be able to"

I've read elsewhere that Ron Paul allegedly said this. Please people tell me that it's just someone spinning what he said. Please. We're trying so hard to push this guy, how can he say something so stupid?

 

[micahnelson]

Uh, I hadn't heard that. I'm sure it would have come out by now.

 

[BLS]

You gotta provide more than "I heard".......c'mon man.

Conjecture???

 

[kimosabi]

SOURCE???????​

 

[orenbus]

i'll believe it when i see the link

 

[micahnelson]

I guess its "Put words in Ron Paul's Mouth" Day.

I heard him say he saved a lot of money by switching to geico.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Private clubs should be free to let in whoever they like, for whatever reasons they like. Do you think it's the job of government to tell you who your friends must be?

As long as the private club is truly private and not taxpayer subsidized, then they can do what they like.

Look at it this way, I'm white, do you think the United negro college fund has a right to arbitrarily deny me a scholarship because of my skin tone? They certainly think they do, and I don't see any irate collectivists protesting that racism.

 

[kylejack]

I agree with that. Around the corner from me there is a gym for females only. There was a golf club in the past that had that exact policy. There was another that excluded women. I would not expect to be welcomed with open arms if I went to a barbershop in the ghetto, or a taqueria in the barrio. I also know that a pretty girl has a better chance of being let into a packed club than my ugly mug. And heaven forbid I am ever waited on by a DUDE in ass shorts and a tight top at Hooters. Its the free market, yo.

 

[jblosser]

To try to keep this as objective as possible:

Please indicate the part of the Constitution that allows the national government to compel private individuals or groups to associate with anyone on their own property.

If it's not in the Constitution, Dr. Paul is going to say the national goverment can't do it. This should not be a surprise by now.

 

[Harald]

freedom of association

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

... the implicit First Amendment right of association has been limited by court rulings. For example, it is illegal in the United States to consider race in the making and enforcement of private contracts other than marriage or taking affirmative action. This limitation of freedom of association results from Section 1981 of Title 42 of the Civil Rights Act, as weighed against the First Amendment according to the court decision Runyon v. McCrary, 427 U.S. 160 (1976).

The holding of Runyon is that the defendant private schools were free to express and teach their views, such as white separatism, but could not discriminate on the basis of race in the provision of services to the general public. So if the plaintiff African-American children wished to attend such private schools, and were clearly qualified in all respects (but race) and were able to pay the fees, and were willing to attend despite the fact that the schools strongly disliked them, then the schools were required by Section 1981 to admit them. The general rule to be drawn from this is that the First Amendment protects the right to express, including expression of racial discrimination, but people may not practice such ideas even within private associations.

This doctrine rests on the interpretation of a private contract as a "badge" of slavery when either party considers race in choosing the other. The phrase "badges... of slavery" is from the Circuit Court decision 109 U.S. 3 (1883) [1] upholding the power of Congress to pass laws under the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution compensating for the legacy of slavery.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

"Let’s be perfectly clear: the federal government has no business regulating speech in any way. Furthermore, government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combating bigotry in our society. Bigotry at its essence is a sin of the heart, and we can’t change people’s hearts by passing more laws and regulations." Ron Paul

http://unofficial-ronpaul2008blog.blogspot.com/search/label/racism

 

[SeanEdwards]

I think we should pass a Federal law that says everyone has to LOVE everyone! And if somebody doesn't show enough LOVE, they will be beaten severely until we can see the LOVE!

I love you all!

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

I heard Ron Paul said we're all going to be attacked by giant space ogres, and that it would be ok for private organizations to exclude them from their clubs if they didn't like giant attacking space ogres.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT RON PAUL GUY!?!

 

[smtwngrl]

"I don't believe the gov't should control everything. If a country club wants to exclude blacks they should be able to"

I've read elsewhere that Ron Paul allegedly said this. Please people tell me that it's just someone spinning what he said. Please. We're trying so hard to push this guy, how can he say something so stupid?

It's just someone spinning what he said.

And I'm sure that's correct. Think of all the times that Ron Paul "said" something versus the reality of what he really said.

 

[LibertyBelle]

I think we should pass a Federal law that says everyone has to LOVE everyone! And if somebody doesn't show enough LOVE, they will be beaten severely until we can see the LOVE!

I love you all!

I knew it, I knew it! You believe in a one world religion!

 

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

Same way we should be able to have smoking and nonsmoking bars. It is up to the person who owns the establishment, and NOT the government. The free market takes care of these things.

 

[Akus]

I heard Ron Paul said we're all going to be attacked by giant space ogres, and that it would be ok for private organizations to exclude them from their clubs if they didn't like giant attacking space ogres.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT RON PAUL GUY!?!

Sword, I understand exactly what you're trying to say. I will admit ignorance of the source of this, this is a second hand information and I'm selling it for what I bought it.

I am not interested in rumors. A rumor about Ron Paul saying something that may be perceived offensive is just as irrelevant as the non-sense about Bush attacking Iraq because he wanted to settle the score for his Daddy's failed assassination attempt, orchestrated by Saddam. We don't know that for a fact, and let's face it, if Bush let us that close to him that you actually heard him say that (in some very private surroundings I'm sure), you'd never say that anyway.

However, I don't believe smokes exist with no fire to supply it. There are many rumours about Clintons and how Vince Foster commited suicide with some "help". That's all smoke, but the fire is that Clintons are shady and had criminal investigations against them.

Same with Ron. I'm sure, I really hope, he said nothing of the sort, but perhaps he is, or once was, known to say things that could be misrepresented as controversial, like the "we deserved 9/11" incident.

I hope you understand.

 

[LizF]

I am not interested in rumors. A rumor about Ron Paul saying something that may be perceived offensive is just as irrelevant as the non-sense about Bush attacking Iraq because he wanted to settle the score for his Daddy's failed assassination attempt, orchestrated by Saddam. We don't know that for a fact, and let's face it, if Bush let us that close to him that you actually heard him say that (in some very private surroundings I'm sure), you'd never say that anyway.

I'm not sure when Bush said this, but he did at least mention it publicly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL6OGwsp9_o

(I couldn't find a longer version to properly situate the context of Bush's statement.)

 

[beermotor]

Yeah, you know, I think Clarence Thomas says the exact same stuff about freedom of association.

I don't see the big deal.

The point is, if government got out of the business of "correcting racism" the impetus to discriminate could be destroyed by the FREE MARKET. Ideas and trade always trump suspicion and seclusion, period. Look at the Japanese, man.

 

[iamso910]

I doubt Ron Paul would phrase the freedom of association message that way.

Anyway, just because someone supports the right for private owners to ban red headed step-children, or whatever other group, it doesn't mean they agree with that private owner's decision. They just support the property owner's right to allow whoever they want onto their own property.