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WTF happened in NV???

Ian A.

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I'm going to be a Maine delegate this weekend, and I'm terrified because the Nevada convention was NUTS!

I know the gist of what happened. But what is the end result? I want to know if ANY of the proceedings during the convention actually mattered. Though the GOP walked out and apparently have rescheduled, will they have to vote on everything again? I gotta tell ya, if the word "delegate" and "state" are in the same sentence, I get so confused my head swells to a basketball. :-C

BTW here's a great vid of what happened that day in the trenches of Nevada:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bknGz9TtEHE&feature=related
 
They just took a long recess. it should not effect the outcome one bit. Everything that was voted on before they went on recess stays as voted. So Ron Paul waked away with a large chunk of the 9 delegates that got voted on. They will be voting for the rest when the reconvene.


Talk to the Ron Paul campaign to see who you need to talk to before the convention.
 
I'm going to be a Maine delegate this weekend, and I'm terrified because the Nevada convention was NUTS!

I know the gist of what happened. But what is the end result? I want to know if ANY of the proceedings during the convention actually mattered. Though the GOP walked out and apparently have rescheduled, will they have to vote on everything again? I gotta tell ya, if the word "delegate" and "state" are in the same sentence, I get so confused my head swells to a basketball. :-C

BTW here's a great vid of what happened that day in the trenches of Nevada:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bknGz9TtEHE&feature=related

There are no end results. The republican party took a break so they can plot & scheme.
 
thanks guys....feel free to continue to speculate about how this is like Missouri or will affect other states
 
I'm going to be a Maine delegate this weekend, and I'm terrified because the Nevada convention was NUTS!

I know the gist of what happened. But what is the end result? I want to know if ANY of the proceedings during the convention actually mattered. Though the GOP walked out and apparently have rescheduled, will they have to vote on everything again? I gotta tell ya, if the word "delegate" and "state" are in the same sentence, I get so confused my head swells to a basketball. :-C

BTW here's a great vid of what happened that day in the trenches of Nevada:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bknGz9TtEHE&feature=related

It wasn't as nuts as you think it was.

It only got crazy and chaotic after Chairman Beers went to recess with out calling for a vote, or allowing for an appeal.

As for 're-doing' everything we did this weekend; if you read Bob Beer's blog it doesn't look like we'll have to...we'll just pick up where we left off.

http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/
 
From his blog he endorsed Ron Paul :D

"We will finish up whatever few minor agenda items remain and adjourn the convention so we can move forward together to elect common sense, limited government, pro liberty Republicans up and down the ballot."

It wasn't as nuts as you think it was.

It only got crazy and chaotic after Chairman Beers went to recess with out calling for a vote, or allowing for an appeal.

As for 're-doing' everything we did this weekend; if you read Bob Beer's blog it doesn't look like we'll have to...we'll just pick up where we left off.

http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/
 
I think that one outcome is that no one will have to say "look at the delegates that Ron Paul has in Nevada". This way it kept out of the news for quite a while longer and in this way we'll have nothing firm to grasp hold of.

Almost all of the information about this election seems nebulous and hazy...I'm still trying to figure out what happened in LA.
 
I'm sure Beers did what he did so the Pro-McCain people can come up with a slate to counter the Ron Paul slate. And if I heard correctly, around 60% of the total state delegates were McCain supporters but they were unorganized so the Ron Paul slates were able to win. I fear the element of surprise is no longer an option and I'm sure they are planning this time around.

Good luck to all of Nevada.

- ML
 
Yes, they will regroup and get their shit in order to defeat the Ron Paul people! Let this be a lesson, go undercover in all future States! Wear McCain buttons, scream for McCain, as hard as it will be, put down those Ron Paul nuts and BE THE MCCAIN TEAM! They can find out the truth in St. Paul!!!!
 
I'm sure Beers did what he did so the Pro-McCain people can come up with a slate to counter the Ron Paul slate. And if I heard correctly, around 60% of the total state delegates were McCain supporters but they were unorganized so the Ron Paul slates were able to win. I fear the element of surprise is no longer an option and I'm sure they are planning this time around.

Good luck to all of Nevada.

- ML

Pretty much.

Although the room was very close to 50/50-RP/other. On some issues, like the main rule change that we wanted, we had many standard issue Republicans vote with us just because of the fairness issue.

I'm actually cool with them if all they want to do is put together a list and pimp it; just like we did. Then it just becomes a numbers game. I am just wary they will try something else. I think in that sort of situation we should get 11 of the 22 remaining delegates. That's what we offered Beers...and that's what we'd need for a majority of our 34, provided the CD counts hold up.
 
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how many of the first 9 did you get?

Pretty much.

Although the room was very close to 50/50-RP/other. On some issues, like the main rule change that we wanted, we had many standard issue Republicans vote with us just because of the fairness issue.

I'm actually cool with them if all they want to do is put together a list and pimp it; just like we did. Then it just becomes a numbers game. I am just wary they will try something else. I think in that sort of situation we should get 11 of the 22 remaining delegates. That's what we offered Beers...and that's what we'd need for a majority of our 34, provided the CD counts hold up.
 
ok cool. by Beers statement about how secure those votes are makes me wonder how many we will actually get. I am going to assume that Beers will not f with those because they are planning on something else right now.

And thank you for all your hard work

this is my desk top right now


Either 6 or more likely 7 out of 9 total.

Although CD 2 had not quite finished counting yet, and those results had not been released.
 
The rules that were used were basically the old 2006 rules where a nominating committee was to determine eligable delegates to the national convention, and the delegates would be allowed to vote for slates of delegates so approved. This is the way the party has done it for years, but this year was our first caucus, so people felt like they were being robbed of the final step of the process.
We declined to approve the rules unless we had an ammendment allowing delegates to be nominated from the floor. Debate went on and on, and we finally took a vote right before lunch. The amendment was approved by a 700 some to 400 some vote. Voted for by many delegates who were not necessarily just Ron Paul supporters, but interested in a fair process.

After lunch they decided to try another tactic to save time, having every delegate vote for 5 of the 31 delegates, and having the top 31 votegetters be the delegates, and the next the alternates, dividing out the congressional district delegates from the body of those elected. (9 of Nevada's delegates must be selected from their 3 congressional districts per party rules).

We voted this down and divided into congressional districts, took the names of all of those interested in being delegates, and started the vote. In CD 1, they completed the counting, and the other two were halted in mid count. The Ron Paul delegates were ahead by a pretty good margin per reports of some of those watching the count.

It was then when the chairman announced that the meeting needed to recess because we had used our alotted time in the room. This was a tactic to gain some time. Granted, it was late, but who books a political convention without a contingency for going over? When we asked the hotel after the McCain people had left, they would have had no problem letting us stay another 3 hours, and the room had no bookings the following day. If it was a matter of a few thousand dollars to pay the hotel staff overtime, the delegates were more than willing to cough up $20 each to avoid having to make the trip again. The time limit was the excuse they used for getting more time. They were not prepared for the change in the rules, and we were. They saw the way the CD votes were going, and saw how organized we were, so they decided on the desperation plan.

I'm fully expecting them to attempt to invalidate the CD elections, and be fully prepared for the at large delegate vote. But they have cut off their nose to spite their face. This tactic has brought a lot of attention, and the world is watchng, and the credibility of the Republican Party continues to dwindle.

They could fix it easily by supporting Ron Paul
 
Absolutely insane that the media refuses to pick up on this. I'm wondering if the democrat candidates who are constantly pointed at for not uniting, will pick this up. They should.
 
I think that the effects of what happened in nevada will be farther reaching then you may realize. This will encourage RP supporters all over the country to attend state conventions.
Way to go nevada. I'm coming to visit :)
 
NO

I'm sure Beers did what he did so the Pro-McCain people can come up with a slate to counter the Ron Paul slate. And if I heard correctly, around 60% of the total state delegates were McCain supporters but they were unorganized so the Ron Paul slates were able to win. I fear the element of surprise is no longer an option and I'm sure they are planning this time around.

Good luck to all of Nevada.

- ML



...there is NO way McCAin had 60% or even 50% of the people.....


Romney, Thompson, McCain, it's all a big mix of people. McCain only got about say 10% of the vote in Nevada...and he probably got even a smaller proportion of delegates elected to go to the state convention to choose national delegates.


What does matter is that the Romney people, to a degree, hate McCain. The Thompson people also hate McCain. IDK if Paul had a majority or not but the anti-McCain people overall had a majority, and it was the Ron Paul people who definitely composed the vast majority of the anti-McCain wing.
 
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Okay, I just watched it on youtube, and I have many questions. First of all, how many people (roughly) were at this convention? How many were Ron Paul supporters? How many are returning?

I think this is one cheap tactic, although I admittedly don't know the whole story.
 
Around 1400 delegates. About half and half. here's hoping the tactic costs them their numbers advantage. Every Ron Paul supporter will return. Every one. This is about our country, the boat trip, or the work day will have to wait.
 
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