Why we do not have to pay taxes

[dude58677]

It rests on several premises:

1) The preamble to the Bill of Rights states that the Bill of Rights were created to restrict further acts of abuse of power and misconstruction of power.

2) The ninth amendent states that the Constitution shall not deny people unenumerated right to disobey unconstitutional laws and supreme court rulings by government and thus shall not deny the people in the process to interpet the Constitution.

3) The ninth amendent shall not deny a juror or jurors to interpret and rule on the Constitution or rule according to their conscience.

4) The text of the Constitution states that the 16th amendment does not use the term "direct tax" but only states an unapportioned indirect tax on incomes. Even if it was a direct tax on income, the people still have a ninth amendment right not to pay for programs that are unethical or unconstitutional.

 

[Kludge]

Why we have to pay taxes:

1) If we don't, we'll be imprisoned for life.

 

[dude58677]

Why we have to pay taxes:

1) If we don't, we'll be imprisoned for life.

That is why we have to find ways to work under the table. We can't even let the government know we are working.

The other thiing is that we need to educate people about jury nullification. Just spread this message in my OP to as many people as you can.

 

[dude58677]

Why we have to pay taxes:

1) If we don't, we'll be imprisoned for life.

PS, also don't go around saying that "we don't have to pay taxes" then you make the government sound like the master. Just say the "Constitution prohibits direct individual taxes."

 

[jake]

That is why we have to find ways to work under the table. We can't even let the government know we are working.

The other thiing is that we need to educate people about jury nullification. Just spread this message in my OP to as many people as you can.

the problem with this is that is illegal too (meaning there are consequences if you are caught, disagree with the act itself or not)

 

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

 

[dude58677]

the problem with this is that is illegal too (meaning there are consequences if you are caught, disagree with the act itself or not)

Again, it is called jury nullification. USE IT!!

 

[Danke]

Just say the "Constitution prohibits direct individual taxes."

Correct. Income taxes are indirect taxes.

 

[dude58677]

Make your cash while you can.

Game over pretty soon though.

The key is to find liberty-like minded people who are small business owners and work for them and don't fill out ANY employment forms. When finding these people, use your imagination.

 

[Danke]

the problem with this is that is illegal too (meaning there are consequences if you are caught, disagree with the act itself or not)

More than likely it is not. Nearly all taxable income is reported via a w-2, 1099 or K1, so it would not therefore be "under the table."

 

[dude58677]

More than likely it is not. Nearly all taxable income is reported via a w-2, 1099 or K1, so it would not therefore be "under the table."

Screw the forms. The forms themselvfes are unconstitutional and you don't want to play into the establishments hands. You also have the ninth amendment right not to fill out any IRS forms. Best thing to do is not let them even know you are working at all. Just don't fill out ANY forms of any kind.

PS, if this fails, jurors still have the ninth amendment right to jury nullification.

 

[Danke]

Screw the forms. The forms themselvfes are unconstitutional and you don't want to play into the establishments hands. You also have the ninth amendment right not to fill out any IRS forms. Best thing to do is not let them even know you are working at all. Just don't fill out ANY forms of any kind.

PS, if this fails, jurors still have the ninth amendment right to jury nullification.

Certainly, you don't have to fill out any forms. For instance, no law require using a 1040. But if you want the money withheld from you returned, it is readily accepted. But you could use a substitution, probably delay any refund.

Taxable income comes from privileged activities, so the 9th Amendment will not get you very far with a jury.

 

[fr33domfightr]

Instead of fighting the government about having to file or not having to file, I say we just change the fricken constitution.

Repeal the 16th amendment!!!

Everyone I know hates the IRS. It should be very easy. Why can't we start a petition?

FF

 

[dude58677]

Certainly, you don't have to fill out any forms. For instance, no law require using a 1040. But if you want the money withheld from you returned, it is readily accepted. But you could use a substitution, probably delay any refund.

Taxable income comes from privileged activities, so the 9th Amendment will not get you very far with a jury.

I didn't just mean tax forms I also meant job forms, anything that connects you to the employment. You can't even let the government even know you are working at all.

Ther are a couple of arguments with the jury:

1) Constitution prohibits direct income taxes.

2) You have the ninth amendment right to not pay for unethical and unconstitutional programs.

 

[TXcarlosTX]

YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY TAXES VIA U.C.C Title 26 Section 7806B


Ok this is what it says.....

TITLE 26, UNITED STATES CODE SERVICE.

Section 7806. Construction of Title.

(a) Cross references. The cross references in this title to other portions of the title, or other provisions of law, where the word "see" is used, are made only for convenience, and shall be given no legal effect.

(b) Arrangement and classification. No inference, implication, or presumption of legislative construction shall be drawn or made by reason of the location or grouping of any particular section or provision or portion of this title, nor shall any table of contents, table of cross references, or similar outline, analysis, or descriptive matter relating to the contents of this title be given any legal effect. The preceding sentence also applies to the sidenotes and ancillary tables contained in the various prints of this Act before its enactment into law.




Ok this is what it means...

26 USC 7806(b) says that Title 26 is not the law. In other words, "No inference, implication or presumption of legislative construction shall be drawn or made by reason of the location or grouping of any particular section or provision or portion of this title..." N.B. "legislative construction" means "law."



Ok now here is some case law...

1. Location or grouping of section

Fact that 26 USCS Sec. 4161(a) is located in part of Code dealing with recreational equipment and sporting goods is of little significance in determining applicability of tax to lures used in commercial fishing since Sec. 7806 provides that nothing is to be inferred from grouping or indexing of any particular section. Nordby Supply Co. v United States (1978, CA9 Wash) 572 F2d 1377, cert den 439 US 861, 58 L Ed 2d 170, 99 S Ct 182.

 

[rathskeller]

So don't pay your taxes. But don't come crying to us when you go to jail. Because hte amendment was ratified, and hte law has been upheld many many times. Just becuase some high school kid like yourself misinterprets the consitution does not mean it IS unconstituional.

And how DARE you call the good Doctor Paul an idiot! He says the tax law is valid. If he didn't think so, then he wouldn't want to repeal it.

But honestly, don't pay. Go to jail. The world will not lose a productive member of society.

 

[rathskeller]

That is why we have to find ways to work under the table. We can't even let the government know we are working.

The other thiing is that we need to educate people about jury nullification. Just spread this message in my OP to as many people as you can.

Ju8ry notification is not going to work. Here is what you don't understnad...the VAST majority of people are not on your side with this. Most don't like paying taxes. But nearly ALL people (the intelligent ones, I mean) know that it is the law, and it necessary. This notion that everyone agrees with you is hilarious.

 

[asgardshill]

Golly, when did they put Internet access in Federal prison?

 

[dude58677]

So don't pay your taxes. But don't come crying to us when you go to jail. Because hte amendment was ratified, and hte law has been upheld many many times. Just becuase some high school kid like yourself misinterprets the consitution does not mean it IS unconstituional.

And how DARE you call the good Doctor Paul an idiot! He says the tax law is valid. If he didn't think so, then he wouldn't want to repeal it.

But honestly, don't pay. Go to jail. The world will not lose a productive member of society.

1) The preamble to the Bill of Rights states that the Bill of Rights were created to restrict further acts of abuse of power and misconstruction of power.

2) The ninth amendent states that the Constitution shall not deny people unenumerated right to disobey unconstitutional laws and supreme court rulings by government and thus shall not deny the people in the process to interpet the Constitution.

3) The ninth amendent shall not deny a juror or jurors to interpret and rule on the Constitution or rule according to their conscience.

4) The text of the Constitution states that the 16th amendment does not use the term "direct tax" but only states an unapportioned indirect tax on incomes. Even if it was a direct tax on income, the people still have a ninth amendment right not to pay for programs that are unethical or unconstitutional.


Of course the ninth amendment also says you have the right to be close minded.

 

[dude58677]

YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY TAXES VIA U.C.C Title 26 Section 7806B


Ok this is what it says.....

TITLE 26, UNITED STATES CODE SERVICE.

Section 7806. Construction of Title.

(a) Cross references. The cross references in this title to other portions of the title, or other provisions of law, where the word "see" is used, are made only for convenience, and shall be given no legal effect.

(b) Arrangement and classification. No inference, implication, or presumption of legislative construction shall be drawn or made by reason of the location or grouping of any particular section or provision or portion of this title, nor shall any table of contents, table of cross references, or similar outline, analysis, or descriptive matter relating to the contents of this title be given any legal effect. The preceding sentence also applies to the sidenotes and ancillary tables contained in the various prints of this Act before its enactment into law.




Ok this is what it means...

26 USC 7806(b) says that Title 26 is not the law. In other words, "No inference, implication or presumption of legislative construction shall be drawn or made by reason of the location or grouping of any particular section or provision or portion of this title..." N.B. "legislative construction" means "law."



Ok now here is some case law...

1. Location or grouping of section

Fact that 26 USCS Sec. 4161(a) is located in part of Code dealing with recreational equipment and sporting goods is of little significance in determining applicability of tax to lures used in commercial fishing since Sec. 7806 provides that nothing is to be inferred from grouping or indexing of any particular section. Nordby Supply Co. v United States (1978, CA9 Wash) 572 F2d 1377, cert den 439 US 861, 58 L Ed 2d 170, 99 S Ct 182.

Don't cite statutes or court cases, just cite the text of the Constitution. There is no judicial supremacy in the text and you don't want to play into the hands of the establishment. There is too much jargon for them to confuse everyone and that is what they want. It is best to cite the ninth amendment and the preamble to the bill of rights because that is what severewly restricts government power.