Why Ron Paul doesn't support wars to defend our friends in Israel?

[Liberty Star]

Has Ron Paul explained why he doesn't support wars in middle east to defend our friends in Israel?
War may look costly now but would it not be even more costly if we waited longer?

 

[Spirit of '76]

Ron has consistently pointed out that our interference in Middle Eastern affairs actually endangers Israel and gives them less incentive to make peace with their neighbors.

The best thing we could do for Israel is stay out of the way.

 

[robertwerden]

Because its unconstitutional.
Defense of America is one thing, but if a country can not stand on its own, then they either have to request to become part of the United States, IE Virgin Islands, PR etc or face the music.

 

[jmdrake]

Has Ron Paul explained why he doesn't support wars in middle east to defend our friends in Israel?
War may look costly now but would it not be even more costly if we waited longer?

A) Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_would_let_Israel_protect_itself

B) Why do you want to pretend that Israel is the only country we should be "friends" with? Ron Paul believes in friendship toward all and entangling alliances with none. (Just like the founding fathers.) Remember Israel's recent war on Lebanon? That undermined a Christian led government friendly to the United States. Now if Israel had done this on its own that would have been one thing. But the fact that it (illegally) used cluster bombs that it got from the U.S. needlessly makes US look bad.

C) Ron Paul feels that our aid to Israel and it's enemies arms both sides and keeps the conflict going. He would quit funding both sides.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=737

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[Liberty Star]

I read the other day that one of the reason of Iraq war was to have base to attack Iran. Iran still is saying horrible things about Israel. Iraq war has not gone well I but getting out after all this costs would not make it all for nothing if we left without taking care of Iran?

 

[gagnonstudio]

I read the other day that one of the reason of Iraq war was to have base to attack Iran. Iran still is saying horrible things about Israel. Iraq war has not gone well I but getting out after all this costs would not make it all for nothing if we left without taking care of Iran?

We can't afford it. They (Iran) have no capability of attacking us, especially if we secure our borders. Israel is a powerhouse. We made them that way. They could easily defeat Iran, and Iran isn't stupid, they know this. They are like the kid on the playground who talks a lot but never backs it up. They want as much unrest in the middle east as possible. They don't want all the countries creating peace agreements.

We can no longer afford to police the world. I am not scared of these third world countries, I don't know why anyone is. Terrorism will never go away until we address the root cause of it. If we take away their motivation, we take away their movement.

I don't want my kids to live in poverty because we were scared of a third world nation.

 

[fcofer]

I read the other day that one of the reason of Iraq war was to have base to attack Iran. Iran still is saying horrible things about Israel. Iraq war has not gone well I but getting out after all this costs would not make it all for nothing if we left without taking care of Iran?

Liberty Star, you might want to read some of what Ron Paul has written on foreign policy here: http://ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=10

My guess is that if you read some of the relevant articles, Ron Paul's foreign policy positions will make more sense to you.

Feel free to ask us in the 'Ron Paul on the Issues' section of this forum if you have more questions, even if you think that we're wrong.

 

[specsaregood]

Israel is a bigboy, they can handle their own wars. They have at least 300 nukes, what can we do that they can't do themselves?

Any american that wants to fight wars for Israel can go over there and volunteer. Our military members volunteer to protect our county, not other countries.

 

[DrRich]

Iran still is saying horrible things about Israel.

So? What can Iran do to israel? They have no real military force that can even come close to equaling the israelis. israelis can "wipe off" Iran from face of the earth with their own nuke. Why involve US in their fight? Thats whats getting us into trouble with terrorism now.

Cut all foreign aid NOW. (Not just israel, everybody.)

 

[Sandy]

I read the other day that one of the reason of Iraq war was to have base to attack Iran. Iran still is saying horrible things about Israel. Iraq war has not gone well I but getting out after all this costs would not make it all for nothing if we left without taking care of Iran?

"Iran still is saying horrible things about Israel." Yes, how dare people in another country have free speech, HOW DARE!!!! They should not be allowed, and should be bombed into oblivion, wiping them off the map. Wow, those horrible things you are accusing the Iranian government of saying you are wanting to DO. Be careful, or you might become the monster you say you despise.

 

[me3]

I read the other day that one of the reason of Iraq war was to have base to attack Iran. Iran still is saying horrible things about Israel. Iraq war has not gone well I but getting out after all this costs would not make it all for nothing if we left without taking care of Iran?

Taking care of Iran. A total fallacy, brought to you by the same people who told us about Yellowcake uranium.

First, Ahmadinejad is an elected leader. Democratically elected.
Second, Ahamdinejad does not control the military.
Third, the Ayatollah controls the military and he has issued a fatwa against nuclear proliferation.
Fourth, there has been zero proof of an Iranian nuclear weapons program.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad's_2006_letter_to_the_American_people

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ahmadinejad's_2006_letter_to_Bush

Don't get me wrong, I'm no big Ahmadinejad supporter, but there are two sides to every story, and I don't trust this administration or the MSM to provide me with fair and balanced coverage.

 

[Nefertiti]

This is the column that made be a big Pat Buchanan fan, which in turn, turned me into a Ron Paul fan. It's particularly relevant to this discussion:

http://www.theamericancause.org/print/072106_print.htm

 

[Tina]

Has Ron Paul explained why he doesn't support wars in middle east to defend our friends in Israel?
War may look costly now but would it not be even more costly if we waited longer?

Lot's of folks here today with an agenda. We see you. Paul is not against Israel or anyone else. Go find your dirt elsewhere.

 

[jenninlouisiana]

I believe www.jews4ronpaul.org (com?) talked about Ron Paul and Israel in their FAQ section. You may find some clarification there.

 

[Corydoras]

Lot's of folks here today with an agenda. We see you. Paul is not against Israel or anyone else. Go find your dirt elsewhere.

You tell 'em, Tina! Look at what this person posted less than two weeks ago... "our friends in Israel" today and "Israel's heavy handed and expansive actions" on 11/12. Right.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=397275#post397275

Ron Paul has spoken out against Isarel lobby's role in US Congress, that may have created this misleading impression. He has been equally critical of Saudi lobby. He is not pro any one group, he's more like anti anything that goes against US interests and Constitution and is for waging a smart war on terror.


Ron Paul would put an end to squandering of vital resouces on a misled war in Iraq and that would help catching terrorists like Osama by placing resources and focus where they should have been in first place. What would be so wrong with such a policy?

Osama would still hate us becuase we have freedoms, but he would probably only have two and have men ready to fight on his side for paradise. By putting America's interests above any foreign country's including Israel's, we can greatly minimize anti-Americanism that blind support of Israel's heavy handed and exapnsive actions there buy us. Ron Paul may even be able to bring gas prices close $1 per gallon by taking these foreign lobbies out of the equation. By cultivating normal relations with all parties without unnecessary entaglements like the ones we have now, they would hate us as much as they hate Canada.

 

[Tina]

I believe www.jews4ronpaul.org (com?) talked about Ron Paul and Israel in their FAQ section. You may find some clarification there.

That's nice of you, but sometimes you have to see a troll for what it is. And this is an under the bridge gnome.

any of a race of small, misshapen, dwarflike beings, supposed to dwell in the earth and guard its treasures

 

[Tina]

Holy s.. Cory, I'm going to have to re read this a few times. This struck me on the first read. It makes no sense whatsoever, to me anyway. Usually, I spot a lier by that fact that what they say is nonsensical. This makes no sense to me.

By putting America's interests above any foreign country's including Israel's, we can greatly minimize anti-Americanism that blind support of Israel's heavy handed and exapnsive actions there buy us.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

I'd rather support Iran if there were a war with Israel. Iran never machined-gunned life rafts full of wounded American sailors. Iran has never committed terrorism against us like Israel has.

 

[Liberty Star]

A) Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_would_let_Israel_protect_itself

B) Why do you want to pretend that Israel is the only country we should be "friends" with? Ron Paul believes in friendship toward all and entangling alliances with none. (Just like the founding fathers.) Remember Israel's recent war on Lebanon? That undermined a Christian led government friendly to the United States. Now if Israel had done this on its own that would have been one thing. But the fact that it (illegally) used cluster bombs that it got from the U.S. needlessly makes US look bad.

C) Ron Paul feels that our aid to Israel and it's enemies arms both sides and keeps the conflict going. He would quit funding both sides.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=737

Regards,

John M. Drake

Ron has consistently pointed out that our interference in Middle Eastern affairs actually endangers Israel and gives them less incentive to make peace with their neighbors.

The best thing we could do for Israel is stay out of the way.

Because its unconstitutional.
Defense of America is one thing, but if a country can not stand on its own, then they either have to request to become part of the United States, IE Virgin Islands, PR etc or face the music.

We can't afford it. They (Iran) have no capability of attacking us, especially if we secure our borders. Israel is a powerhouse. We made them that way. They could easily defeat Iran, and Iran isn't stupid, they know this. They are like the kid on the playground who talks a lot but never backs it up. They want as much unrest in the middle east as possible. They don't want all the countries creating peace agreements.

We can no longer afford to police the world. I am not scared of these third world countries, I don't know why anyone is. Terrorism will never go away until we address the root cause of it. If we take away their motivation, we take away their movement.

I don't want my kids to live in poverty because we were scared of a third world nation.

Israel is a bigboy, they can handle their own wars. They have at least 300 nukes, what can we do that they can't do themselves?

Any american that wants to fight wars for Israel can go over there and volunteer. Our military members volunteer to protect our county, not other countries.

You tell 'em, Tina! Look at what this person posted less than two weeks ago... "our friends in Israel" today and "Israel's heavy handed and expansive actions" on 11/12. Right.

Good points all.

Those were actually rhetorical questions in hope to spark some thinking after I read an article with weird logic in favor of Iraq war but in hurry I didn't put them together well.
Thanks to you and others who addressed the question and offered their views.

My view on this would be what Corydoras has dug up:

Ron Paul has spoken out against Isarel lobby's role in US Congress, that may have created this misleading impression. He has been equally critical of Saudi lobby. He is not pro any one group, he's more like anti anything that goes against US interests and Constitution and is for waging a smart war on terror.


Ron Paul would put an end to squandering of vital resouces on a misled war in Iraq and that would help catching terrorists like Osama by placing resources and focus where they should have been in first place. What would be so wrong with such a policy?

Osama would still hate us becuase we have freedoms, but he would probably only have two and have men ready to fight on his side for paradise. By putting America's interests above any foreign country's including Israel's, we can greatly minimize anti-Americanism that blind support of Israel's heavy handed and exapnsive actions there buy us. Ron Paul may even be able to bring gas prices close $1 per gallon by taking these foreign lobbies out of the equation. By cultivating normal relations with all parties without unnecessary entaglements like the ones we have now, they would hate us as much as they hate Canada.

 

[Liberty Star]

Taking care of Iran. A total fallacy, brought to you by the same people who told us about Yellowcake uranium.

First, Ahmadinejad is an elected leader. Democratically elected.
Second, Ahamdinejad does not control the military.
Third, the Ayatollah controls the military and he has issued a fatwa against nuclear proliferation.
Fourth, there has been zero proof of an Iranian nuclear weapons program.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad's_2006_letter_to_the_American_people

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ahmadinejad's_2006_letter_to_Bush

Don't get me wrong, I'm no big Ahmadinejad supporter, but there are two sides to every story, and I don't trust this administration or the MSM to provide me with fair and balanced coverage.

This is the column that made be a big Pat Buchanan fan, which in turn, turned me into a Ron Paul fan. It's particularly relevant to this discussion:

http://www.theamericancause.org/print/072106_print.htm

I would read that up, thanks for the links. I also don't think war with Iran is the route we should be on.

Holy s.. Cory, I'm going to have to re read this a few times. This struck me on the first read. It makes no sense whatsoever, to me anyway.

By putting America's interests above any foreign country's including Israel's, we can greatly minimize anti-Americanism that blind support of Israel's heavy handed and exapnsive actions there buy us.

Tina, you may have been confused by questions above
A foreign policy designed with America's best interests in mind will be best for America , that is what it says. I'll be glad to answer any questions about this?