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Why Bob Barr isn't catching on

Matt Collins

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This is probably obvious, but I thought I would post it anyway.

The Ron Paul supporters are largely not catching on to Bob Barr for several reasons:

1- Ron was the perfect candidate. Everything he said was correct, and his 30 year consistent voting record backed it up. Any deviation from Ron is automatically subpar.

2- Many perceive Mr. Barr as a "neocon lite" who is trying to hijack the Ron Paul bandwagon. Bob's voting record does NOT align with the Constitution

3- Perhaps the most important fact is that Bob Barr is a 3rd party candidate, thus has zero chance of winning. The reason everyone came together behind Ron was because there was a chance he could win since he was a major party candidate. People are a lot less likely to give their money and hard work for someone or something that has no chance of winning. I know personally if Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr had the same chance as Ron I'd consider working and donating equally to them as I did to Ron. Unfortunately the two party system has the laws stacked in their favor and against any 3rd party. Even Ross Perot with his billions couldn't get ballot access in all 50 states.
 
Yep, Barr unfortunately is nowhere near an ideal candidate. Hopefully he realizes that he is not going to get much support from liberty lovers until he makes it abundantly clear that he was wrong before and now is a real libertarian. His fundraising has been pretty terrible so far.
 
4- Bob Barr, since declaring his campaign, has never been in a televised debate against major party candidates. There's just no initial exposure, which Ron had. It plays into your 3rd point.
 
That and he looks like a 5 foot 5 nazi prison guard. He might get my vote though who knows
 
Because he is ex-CIA and has a pro-bloated/nanny/police state record.

As Paul said, some people do have a change of heart but he is a trained CIA guy. He has effectively splintered the Libertarian presidential effort, intentionally or not, which could have been the best year for the LP thanks to Paul.
 
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It's Wayne Allyn Root for me. He said that Paul "sounds like the blame America first crowd" and called his noninterventionist foreign policy "weak and naive". If I wanted to support the neocons I'd vote for McCain.
 
4- Bob Barr, since declaring his campaign, has never been in a televised debate against major party candidates

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but there hasn't BEEN a televised debate yet for the general election. Only repub and dem primary debates. If we could do something now to increase Barr's support, bump up his polling numbers, he might have a real shot at being invited to participate in one of the upcoming nationally televised debates this fall.

I'm sure nobody (including Bob Barr) is kidding themselves by thinking he'll become our next president. But this is our chance to begin chipping away at the two-party monopoly of the political system. Barr has had and continues to have decent, quality press coverage (CNN, Fox News, GQ, NYTimes, etc). He's supposed to be on ABC's "This Week" with Steffy this Sunday. He's got a megaphone, albeit a small one, but it's a start.

That may not be enough to motivate the masses. But for those of us who really want to change the system, to bring in new voices that advance the cause of liberty - Dr. Paul's cause - then we should take advantage of the opportunity that Barr represents.
 
As Paul said, some people do have a change of heart but he is a trained CIA guy. He has effectively splintered the Libertarian presidential effort, intentionally or not, which could have been the best year for the LP thanks to Paul.
VERY good point!

However do realize that Barr joined the LP long before Ron ever decided to run. But he was decisive even at that point among the LP types.
 
VERY good point!

However do realize that Barr joined the LP long before Ron ever decided to run. But he was decisive even at that point among the LP types.

It wasn't long before. It was a couple months before Paul announced his exploratory committee.
 
It wasn't long before. It was a couple months before Paul announced his exploratory committee.

...and Bob Barr is a CIA-trained psychic that knew libertarianism was about to start catching on, so he quickly began to carry out a plan to splinter any type of movement against his beloved establishment!!!!!!!
 
...and Bob Barr is a CIA-trained psychic that knew libertarianism was about to start catching on, so he quickly began to carry out a plan to splinter any type of movement against his beloved establishment!!!!!!!

You say it sarcastically, but why is this idea so far fetched? You didn't have to be a psychic to realize the LP would have a big opportunity this election. And I dont think he is carrying out a plan to splinter a movement. I think it is more likely he is carrying out a plan to feed his ego.
 
Barr is starting to catch on. I meet new supporters everyday.
Yesterday, July 2, we raised in the neighborhood of 30K-35K.
Nothing compared to any RP MB, but not too shabby for Barr this early on.
 
This is why Barr isn't catching on. http://www.christinesmithforpresident.com/


The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD


by Christine Smith
Tuesday, May 27, 2008

The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD
by Christine Smith, May 27, 2008

I have given several interviews (television, radio, internet, and to print journalists explaining my thoughts about Barr receiving the LP nomination-with every reporter asking why I cannot support the Barr/Root ticket.) It is obvious: I cannot support someone for the LP presidential nominee who is former CIA, a federal prosecutor responsible for incarcerating people for laws we as libertarians oppose, a supporter of the Patriot Act, voted for the unjust invasion of Iraq, author of The Defense of Marriage Act, supports foreign aid, one whose stances are un-libertarian to the core - on immigration-gay equality-the drug war (research what he wants to do currently in Columbia and in Latin America in general--this is not a libertarian who wants to end the drug war--this is not a non-interventionist candidate). He would have much to prove, over time, before a libertarian such as myself would trust him enough to support him to hold any LP office. I cannot support Root for the LP VP as he is someone who endorsed John McCain, defines marriage as only between a man and woman, supports foreign aid, and believes war with Iran would be the right war. Now saying a few of the "right words" suddenly does not, for me, make either one a libertarian. As I told CSPAN during an interview after my initial remarks, I think Barr is a wolf in sheep's clothing (and I view Root as a counterfeit libertarian). However, to clarify, I do not think he nor Barr has deceived Libertarians so much as Libertarians know exactly what these men are - but they just do not care.

The libertarian principles which made this this the party for me have been abandoned. The party has become an end in itself, but I believe the cause of liberty trumps any party. Barr's campaign will certainly attract more interventionists, more anti-immigration and more anti-freedom conservatives like himself to the LP, so the delegates may get their growth (and perhaps increased vote counts in November) they so eagerly seek, but the cost is that true libertarians now have no political home since the LP chose as its standard bearer a man who is the antithesis of libertarianism. No matter how the LP delegates and Libertarians who supported this may rationalize it to themselves, they sold out their libertarian principles.

What I saw at the LP convention disgusted me. My illusion that a political party existed which represented libertarian principles is gone. I thought Libertarians actually believed in libertarian principle and that would always be their highest priority. I was wrong. I gave them far more credit due to their espousing of libertarian solutions and ideals, that was based on their words and their past- but their behavior and choices during such a critical election prove otherwise. Obviously, the majority of Libertarian delegates cared nothing about libertarian principle when they chose Barr and Root over several real Libertarian candidates. Sunday was a tragedy as we lost the political party I, and others nationwide, had hope in.

The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD.

My heart is filled with deep appreciation to the true libertarians I have met throughout my campaign. You brought me to this point, and I am grateful. We are not alone...and meeting and receiving your support during the last year and half gave me strength despite what I became aware of was happening within the LP. I wish all of you well as you choose your path to advance liberty. (I also wish to express that the coming together of the supporters from several campaigns for the good of getting a few libertarians into the debate was heartening. Healing and cooperation among true libertarians did occur this weekend. And though we may each decide different ways to continue toward our common goal, I believe each of us can become stronger because of our experiences. The resolve to fight for what we believe is within many of us, though how we choose to channel that energy may differ. )

For those of you who have asked: I am leaving the LP. I think the party is a waste of time and resources for anyone who actually wishes to join with others whose priority is freedom (some advances are made on the local level which I think are very good-but as a whole I think the LP is unworthy of the participation of anyone with integrity, ethics, and character--that is my conclusion after witnessing what occurred at the National LP Convention this weekend.) Though some true libertarians will choose to remain in the LP, from the emails and phone calls I have received, I believe many will leave. Each true libertarian must make the choice that is right for him or her; my choice is to fight the battle for liberty in other ways. As for me, I want no part of an organization that could put Barr and Root as the 2008 Presidential/VP candidates. Their choice to do so is, in my opinion, a tragic mistake for the LP. The LP now stands for nothing different than the two major parties - it is a meaningless party as it has become what it always condemned; it no longer offers an alternative choice or voice for liberty at the highest level as should be represented in its presidential candidate. The resulting damage to the party as a means to advance liberty and to attract liberty-minded individuals has been done. No true libertarian would support (or defend) the selection of Bob Barr. (For those who choose to remain in the LP to try and repair it, it will take many years to even return to the place the party was a few days ago.) The hope and enormous potential the LP, as "The Party of Principle," had in 2008 was enormous - now that has been destroyed.

It was my devotion to libertarian philosophy that led me to join the LP, and it is the reason I must leave.
 
Another Party of Principle

This is why Barr isn't catching on. http://www.christinesmithforpresident.com/


The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD


by Christine Smith
Tuesday, May 27, 2008

The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD
by Christine Smith, May 27, 2008

I have given several interviews (television, radio, internet, and to print journalists explaining my thoughts about Barr receiving the LP nomination-with every reporter asking why I cannot support the Barr/Root ticket.) It is obvious: I cannot support someone for the LP presidential nominee who is former CIA, a federal prosecutor responsible for incarcerating people for laws we as libertarians oppose, a supporter of the Patriot Act, voted for the unjust invasion of Iraq, author of The Defense of Marriage Act, supports foreign aid, one whose stances are un-libertarian to the core - on immigration-gay equality-the drug war (research what he wants to do currently in Columbia and in Latin America in general--this is not a libertarian who wants to end the drug war--this is not a non-interventionist candidate). He would have much to prove, over time, before a libertarian such as myself would trust him enough to support him to hold any LP office. I cannot support Root for the LP VP as he is someone who endorsed John McCain, defines marriage as only between a man and woman, supports foreign aid, and believes war with Iran would be the right war. Now saying a few of the "right words" suddenly does not, for me, make either one a libertarian. As I told CSPAN during an interview after my initial remarks, I think Barr is a wolf in sheep's clothing (and I view Root as a counterfeit libertarian). However, to clarify, I do not think he nor Barr has deceived Libertarians so much as Libertarians know exactly what these men are - but they just do not care.

The libertarian principles which made this this the party for me have been abandoned. The party has become an end in itself, but I believe the cause of liberty trumps any party. Barr's campaign will certainly attract more interventionists, more anti-immigration and more anti-freedom conservatives like himself to the LP, so the delegates may get their growth (and perhaps increased vote counts in November) they so eagerly seek, but the cost is that true libertarians now have no political home since the LP chose as its standard bearer a man who is the antithesis of libertarianism. No matter how the LP delegates and Libertarians who supported this may rationalize it to themselves, they sold out their libertarian principles.

What I saw at the LP convention disgusted me. My illusion that a political party existed which represented libertarian principles is gone. I thought Libertarians actually believed in libertarian principle and that would always be their highest priority. I was wrong. I gave them far more credit due to their espousing of libertarian solutions and ideals, that was based on their words and their past- but their behavior and choices during such a critical election prove otherwise. Obviously, the majority of Libertarian delegates cared nothing about libertarian principle when they chose Barr and Root over several real Libertarian candidates. Sunday was a tragedy as we lost the political party I, and others nationwide, had hope in.

The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD.

My heart is filled with deep appreciation to the true libertarians I have met throughout my campaign. You brought me to this point, and I am grateful. We are not alone...and meeting and receiving your support during the last year and half gave me strength despite what I became aware of was happening within the LP. I wish all of you well as you choose your path to advance liberty. (I also wish to express that the coming together of the supporters from several campaigns for the good of getting a few libertarians into the debate was heartening. Healing and cooperation among true libertarians did occur this weekend. And though we may each decide different ways to continue toward our common goal, I believe each of us can become stronger because of our experiences. The resolve to fight for what we believe is within many of us, though how we choose to channel that energy may differ. )

For those of you who have asked: I am leaving the LP. I think the party is a waste of time and resources for anyone who actually wishes to join with others whose priority is freedom (some advances are made on the local level which I think are very good-but as a whole I think the LP is unworthy of the participation of anyone with integrity, ethics, and character--that is my conclusion after witnessing what occurred at the National LP Convention this weekend.) Though some true libertarians will choose to remain in the LP, from the emails and phone calls I have received, I believe many will leave. Each true libertarian must make the choice that is right for him or her; my choice is to fight the battle for liberty in other ways. As for me, I want no part of an organization that could put Barr and Root as the 2008 Presidential/VP candidates. Their choice to do so is, in my opinion, a tragic mistake for the LP. The LP now stands for nothing different than the two major parties - it is a meaningless party as it has become what it always condemned; it no longer offers an alternative choice or voice for liberty at the highest level as should be represented in its presidential candidate. The resulting damage to the party as a means to advance liberty and to attract liberty-minded individuals has been done. No true libertarian would support (or defend) the selection of Bob Barr. (For those who choose to remain in the LP to try and repair it, it will take many years to even return to the place the party was a few days ago.) The hope and enormous potential the LP, as "The Party of Principle," had in 2008 was enormous - now that has been destroyed.

It was my devotion to libertarian philosophy that led me to join the LP, and it is the reason I must leave.

Maybe Christine Smith should join this party, instead. :D
 
This is why Barr isn't catching on. http://www.christinesmithforpresident.com/


The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD


by Christine Smith
Tuesday, May 27, 2008

The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD
by Christine Smith, May 27, 2008

I have given several interviews (television, radio, internet, and to print journalists explaining my thoughts about Barr receiving the LP nomination-with every reporter asking why I cannot support the Barr/Root ticket.) It is obvious: I cannot support someone for the LP presidential nominee who is former CIA, a federal prosecutor responsible for incarcerating people for laws we as libertarians oppose, a supporter of the Patriot Act, voted for the unjust invasion of Iraq, author of The Defense of Marriage Act, supports foreign aid, one whose stances are un-libertarian to the core - on immigration-gay equality-the drug war (research what he wants to do currently in Columbia and in Latin America in general--this is not a libertarian who wants to end the drug war--this is not a non-interventionist candidate). He would have much to prove, over time, before a libertarian such as myself would trust him enough to support him to hold any LP office. I cannot support Root for the LP VP as he is someone who endorsed John McCain, defines marriage as only between a man and woman, supports foreign aid, and believes war with Iran would be the right war. Now saying a few of the "right words" suddenly does not, for me, make either one a libertarian. As I told CSPAN during an interview after my initial remarks, I think Barr is a wolf in sheep's clothing (and I view Root as a counterfeit libertarian). However, to clarify, I do not think he nor Barr has deceived Libertarians so much as Libertarians know exactly what these men are - but they just do not care.

The libertarian principles which made this this the party for me have been abandoned. The party has become an end in itself, but I believe the cause of liberty trumps any party. Barr's campaign will certainly attract more interventionists, more anti-immigration and more anti-freedom conservatives like himself to the LP, so the delegates may get their growth (and perhaps increased vote counts in November) they so eagerly seek, but the cost is that true libertarians now have no political home since the LP chose as its standard bearer a man who is the antithesis of libertarianism. No matter how the LP delegates and Libertarians who supported this may rationalize it to themselves, they sold out their libertarian principles.

What I saw at the LP convention disgusted me. My illusion that a political party existed which represented libertarian principles is gone. I thought Libertarians actually believed in libertarian principle and that would always be their highest priority. I was wrong. I gave them far more credit due to their espousing of libertarian solutions and ideals, that was based on their words and their past- but their behavior and choices during such a critical election prove otherwise. Obviously, the majority of Libertarian delegates cared nothing about libertarian principle when they chose Barr and Root over several real Libertarian candidates. Sunday was a tragedy as we lost the political party I, and others nationwide, had hope in.

The LP as "The Party of Principle" is DEAD.

My heart is filled with deep appreciation to the true libertarians I have met throughout my campaign. You brought me to this point, and I am grateful. We are not alone...and meeting and receiving your support during the last year and half gave me strength despite what I became aware of was happening within the LP. I wish all of you well as you choose your path to advance liberty. (I also wish to express that the coming together of the supporters from several campaigns for the good of getting a few libertarians into the debate was heartening. Healing and cooperation among true libertarians did occur this weekend. And though we may each decide different ways to continue toward our common goal, I believe each of us can become stronger because of our experiences. The resolve to fight for what we believe is within many of us, though how we choose to channel that energy may differ. )

For those of you who have asked: I am leaving the LP. I think the party is a waste of time and resources for anyone who actually wishes to join with others whose priority is freedom (some advances are made on the local level which I think are very good-but as a whole I think the LP is unworthy of the participation of anyone with integrity, ethics, and character--that is my conclusion after witnessing what occurred at the National LP Convention this weekend.) Though some true libertarians will choose to remain in the LP, from the emails and phone calls I have received, I believe many will leave. Each true libertarian must make the choice that is right for him or her; my choice is to fight the battle for liberty in other ways. As for me, I want no part of an organization that could put Barr and Root as the 2008 Presidential/VP candidates. Their choice to do so is, in my opinion, a tragic mistake for the LP. The LP now stands for nothing different than the two major parties - it is a meaningless party as it has become what it always condemned; it no longer offers an alternative choice or voice for liberty at the highest level as should be represented in its presidential candidate. The resulting damage to the party as a means to advance liberty and to attract liberty-minded individuals has been done. No true libertarian would support (or defend) the selection of Bob Barr. (For those who choose to remain in the LP to try and repair it, it will take many years to even return to the place the party was a few days ago.) The hope and enormous potential the LP, as "The Party of Principle," had in 2008 was enormous - now that has been destroyed.

It was my devotion to libertarian philosophy that led me to join the LP, and it is the reason I must leave.

Anyone see Christine Smith's rant at the LP convention? What a whiny little bitch. Its purists like her that hold the party back. If you don't like Bob Barr, thats ok, because he's not going to become president. But he will advance our cause and spread our ideas, and thats all that I care about.
 
Honestly, I think the biggest reason that there is not the same amount of enthusiasm is partly due to the fact that we just went through the whole running for President thing. We gave it our best shot, and have moved on, as Ron Paul has asked us to, to other ways to spread the message.

The way I see it, while I will vote for Barr with the hopes that him doing well will spread the message, working within the party from the ground up is the best way to help the freedom movement. I'm staying involved in the town party and helping it out. I was elected the secretary/treasurer a few months ago, I'm going to pass out constitutions in the 4th of July parade, and I have tried to steer the town party away from the "win at all costs" point of view towards sticking to principles.

Besides that, another notable reason is certainly the fact Barr comes with baggage. In every interview he does, its pointed out that he voted for the Patriot Act, and other things like that. While I am willing to accept his explanation that he has truly changed his mind on that, it just is not the same as with Ron Paul, where he was someone who had stood for what he was talking about through and through for the 30+ years of his political career. Additionally, Paul is an all around nice guy who is just a major break from the packaged candidates we are used to seeing. Barr just does not strike me as being as genuine a person.

I dont think that the latter reason would have killed my enthusiasm too much on its own, but in conjunction with the first reason, they add up. But as I said, I will vote for him. It just wont be the same as with Ron Paul though.
 
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Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura or Jesse and Ron
anybody else will loose at this point and the race is not who will win ! but who will loose the least Obama or Mcain and that will be your new President......so something big has to happen
 
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