Who are you mad at really?

[acptulsa]

Last permitted self-bump.

 

[Tinnuhana]

Here's another example of projection I got froma professor: an office worker makes an error and has to fix it. While doing so, the supervisor enters the room. The worker feels that the supervisor is out to get him/her for incompetence.
In this case, the worker's frustration about performance projects onto the supervisor.

 

[acptulsa]

In this case, the worker's frustration about performance projects onto the supervisor.

Interesting. I'd've chalked that up to paranoia, myself...

 

[johnald]

Thank you actrulsa! What a great, thought provoking post! I'd like to add that I've found, rather than making statements to potential supporters, it's much more effective to ask questions about why they feel the way they do. People will see common sense when they reach the conclusions through their own heart like many of us have.

 

[acptulsa]

You're welcome. And thank you for reiterating that the first step is asking questions! Don't assume you know what interests them, find out! Good man.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

when things don't turn out the way i'd planned, and the anger gets directed at me (the mudslinging), i like to watch
Tom Wood's "interview with a zombie" youtube.

you can't always redirect everyone's anger. some people are so embittered that i swear they don't remember what they were originally angry about. they have a general idea and usually attach that idea to whatever political party/political party leader, but getting to the "heart" of the matter is nearly impossible with some.

i think it's good to remember we can't win them all. i just got reminded of this today. no matter how calm, articulate or well-informed i am (and thus my arguments are), some people really do think that [politician A] is at fault and [politician B] just hasn't had enough time to correct [politician A]'s mess up. and nothing i can do will persuade this person that it is a failure of the system. he wants to say that it is, and he will say that it is a system failure, but he actually wants more of the system to "fix" the failure.

irrational and illogical people are REALLY difficult for me to talk to.

 

[acptulsa]

i think it's good to remember we can't win them all. i just got reminded of this today. no matter how calm, articulate or well-informed i am (and thus my arguments are), some people really do think that [politician A] is at fault and [politician B] just hasn't had enough time to correct [politician A]'s mess up. and nothing i can do will persuade this person that it is a failure of the system. he wants to say that it is, and he will say that it is a system failure, but he actually wants more of the system to "fix" the failure.

You've been talking to an 'Obama as Messiah' type. I can tell. When 'but our war count has doubled' fails to even cause a twinge, it's time to just say, 'God save you' and move on. There are types like this on both sides.

Don't get it get to you. If debt and loss of privacy and freedom, Vilsack and skyrocketing prices on all, and especially on organic food, a dying dollar destroying their and their parent's savings, and their children coming home from war maimed and with PTSD are not as awful to them as admitting to themselves that they were just plain wrong about something, then I guess they're hopeless. That is more than we mere mortals can fix.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

You've been talking to an 'Obama as Messiah' type. I can tell. When 'but our war count has doubled' fails to even cause a twinge, it's time to just say, 'God save you' and move on. There are types like this on both sides.

Don't get it get to you. If debt and loss of privacy and freedom, Vilsack and skyrocketing prices on all, and especially on organic food, a dying dollar destroying their and their parent's savings, and their children coming home from war maimed and with PTSD are not as awful to them as admitting to themselves that they were just plain wrong about something, then I guess they're hopeless. That is more than we mere mortals can fix.

the crazy thing: this dude is in the navy. and worships war. but hates bush (??) (and i know from a few other non-political comments he's sent my way that he's delusional.)

i'm considering throwing him on my block list. it's a win-win: it will make him feel like he's "won" (rather, that i've conceded because i am a coward-- he implied as much this morning when i had to end the online non-debate in order to leave for a meeting) and it will also keep me from wasting my time. thank goodness online is the only contact i have with the guy (although we grew up together)!!!

thanks for the encouragement!!! it's much appreciated!

 

[acptulsa]

Well, if it was me, I'd be inclined to send one more post:

I'm corageous enough to admit it when I'm wrong. But, hey, far be it from me to argue with a squid.

But then, I do tend to push things one step to far...

 

[acptulsa]

irrational and illogical people are REALLY difficult for me to talk to.

'Were you all about Newt? Were you all about Dubya? What'd that get ya? You oughta be mad at those pretenders, not me. They're the ones that fooled y'all. Dr. Paul and I aren't even trying to.

When worst comes to worst, plant the seed and walk away.

 

[acptulsa]

When we finally make them see how they've been brainwashed, they're going to be mad. And the powers that be try every trick in the book (I say try, not will try, as they're already at it) to misdirect that rage at us. So, we had better be already busy making sure that rage is directed the right direction. And we had better be both vigilant and good.

 

[acptulsa]

'If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill you.'--Oscar Wilde

 

[acptulsa]

'The responsibility of the government is to provide the environment which is proper to allow us to thrive, for us to work hard and have the incentive.'--Ron Paul

People can need without knowing what they need. People can be frustrated without knowing what the cause of that frustration is. I say just knowing what causes a person's frustration is nine-tenths of the battle. If we can look at a person who is ranting about this or that, and say, I think what you're wanting and not getting is opportunity, then I think you have a receptive audience. Perhaps 'opportunity' isn't the correct word for everyone, but these days I'll just bet it will work for most.

In any case...

'A mind is like a parachute--it doesn't work unless it's open.'--Will Rogers

Politicians make people angry because an angry mind is a closed mind, and they're afraid that if they don't make people angry then people like us will get in under their defenses. Here's hoping we can get in under their defenses anyway.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

'The responsibility of the government is to provide the environment which is proper to allow us to thrive, for us to work hard and have the incentive.'--Ron Paul

People can need without knowing what they need. People can be frustrated without knowing what the cause of that frustration is. I say just knowing what causes a person's frustration is nine-tenths of the battle. If we can look at a person who is ranting about this or that, and say, I think what you're wanting and not getting is opportunity, then I think you have a receptive audience. Perhaps 'opportunity' isn't the correct word for everyone, but these days I'll just bet it will work for most.

In any case...



Politicians make people angry because an angry mind is a closed mind, and they're afraid that if they don't make people angry then people like us will get in under their defenses. Here's hoping we can get in under their defenses anyway.

deep, acptulsa. profound. i've never thought of it this way.

i believe that an angry person is easier to manipulate because an angry person tends to not reason.

 

[acptulsa]

i believe that an angry person is easier to manipulate because an angry person tends to not reason.

That's why wars are so easy to start.

 

[AshleyLuke]

Didnt know i was gonna come across so many toxic men on this forum.

 

[acptulsa]

Didnt know i was gonna come across so many toxic men on this forum.

This is how you sell California real estate?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Didnt know i was gonna come across so many toxic men on this forum.

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