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What will Vance do for Trump's foreign policy?

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Daniel Larison
JUL 15, 2024

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Like Trump, Vance also holds some very hawkish foreign policy views. He has attacked Biden for “micromanaging” Israel’s war in Gaza, and he agrees with Trump that the Israeli government should “finish the job.” He has taken a remarkably hardline position on the war and U.S. support for it. He has said, “don’t use America’s leverage to effectively cause the Israelis to pull back here.”

As Reason’s Matthew Petti reported this spring, Vance has sharply criticized the neoconservative record in the Middle East, but “he's doubling down on exactly the vision they've had all along: an alliance of Israel and Sunni Muslim–led states, backed by U.S. military power, to ‘police’ the region.” The U.S. will be hard-pressed to reduce its entanglements in the Middle East if it continues to sustain Israel’s destructive military campaigns. It is impossible to see how implicating the U.S. in the war crimes of its clients serves American interests or makes Americans any safer.

As we have seen over the last nine months, backing a client’s atrocious war does not free up U.S. resources and keep U.S. forces out of harm’s way. On the contrary, it puts targets on the backs of our soldiers and sailors, and it ensnares the U.S. in more unnecessary conflicts with other regional actors. Far from shifting the burden to clients, this approach has imposed new costs on the United States.

Vance’s hawkishness extends to East Asia as well. He has framed his opposition to aid for Ukraine primarily in terms of needing to focus U.S. resources on containing China, and he faults Biden for not doing enough on this front. Vance’s position implies that he thinks that the U.S. should be significantly increasing its weapon shipments to partners and adding to its military presence in the region. To the extent that U.S. policy in East Asia is too heavily weighted in favor of a “military-first” approach, this risks making things worse.

The senator has also expressed support for military action against drug cartels in Mexico. In a 2023 interview, he said, “I want to empower the president of the United States, whether that’s a Democrat or Republican, to use the power of the U.S. military to go after these drug cartels.” This has become a popular idea in the Republican Party in recent years, but it would be a bad policy for both the U.S. and Mexico. As Christopher Fettweis explained in Responsible Statecraft last year, “any military operation would almost certainly fail to destroy the cartels” and “it would not stop the flow of drugs into the United States.” Vance should know from his own military service in Iraq that the U.S. shouldn’t send its troops on impossible, open-ended missions.

Vance’s foreign policy record is not that long, but it contains some warning flags that the American people should take into consideration.



https://responsiblestatecraft.org/trump-vance/
 
His whole schtick seems to be "There's only so many weapons. We can't help out Israel as much as we should be because we're wasting bombs in Ukraine."

Other than that, and not having a rock-hard boner to bomb Iran, he's basically Lindsey Graham.
 
His whole schtick seems to be "There's only so many weapons. We can't help out Israel as much as we should be because we're wasting bombs in Ukraine."

Other than that, and not having a rock-hard boner to bomb Iran, he's basically Lindsey Graham.

Iran is on the radar.
 
Iran isn't Iraq..

If you bomb Iran you will attack Russia in Russia's defense policy.

Its why Obama avoided a intervention, no fly zone in Syria.
 
Take money from ukraine and give it and more to jews adding to debt It aint Mike Lee or Rand Paul
 
Same as it ever was...oh well.

Javier Milie kissed the rings of the Small Hat Club, but he's still doing a kick ass job.

J.D. Vance Advocates for Robust U.S. Support of Israel in Line with America First Policy

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-of-israel-in-line-with-america-first-policy/


Javier isn’t taking tax payer money to implement Federal agencies like your guys Trump and Vance advocate. Huge difference.


J.D. Vance is big government alright. Seems he also didn't want to be held accountable on H.R. 7888:


NO VOTE H.R. 7888 FISA Reauthorization

NO VOTE H.R. 7888 Surveilling U.S. Citizens

Voted NO H.R. 6363 Spending Reductions

Voted YES H.R. 4366 Consolidated Appropriations Minibus

Voted NO H.R. 3746 Spending Reductions

Voted YES S. 870 Federal Firefighter Grants


Federal Firefighter Grants... seems he's inline to Trump wanting to Federally Fund Nationwide "Stop and Frisk" and provide complete Immunity to Local LEO.
 
Javier isn’t taking tax payer money to implement Federal agencies like your guys Trump and Vance advocate. Huge difference.


J.D. Vance is big government alright. Seems he also didn't want to be held accountable on H.R. 7888:


NO VOTE H.R. 7888 FISA Reauthorization

NO VOTE H.R. 7888 Surveilling U.S. Citizens

Voted NO H.R. 6363 Spending Reductions

Voted YES H.R. 4366 Consolidated Appropriations Minibus

Voted NO H.R. 3746 Spending Reductions

Voted YES S. 870 Federal Firefighter Grants


Federal Firefighter Grants... seems he's inline to Trump wanting to Federally Fund Nationwide "Stop and Frisk" and provide complete Immunity to Local LEO.

Meh...doesn't affect my five planks for voting Trump.

Paul and Massie like him, the usual suspects hate him, and that's good enough for me at this point.
 
Meh...doesn't affect my five planks for voting Trump.

Paul and Massie like him, the usual suspects hate him, and that's good enough for me at this point.


You definitely gotta change your name. One that suits you perfectly is Pro-Fed.Gov :up:

Even if you deny it, hey man, you’ve been On the Record with all of your posts :tears:
 
Meh...doesn't affect my five planks for voting Trump.

Your comment inspired me to go check out RFK's website and read through his policies. And I found at least five MORE planks to vote for him on, in addition to the three I already had.

Then I went to Trump's campaign site, and found that he doesn't even have a policies page or any kind of public statement about what he plans to do. All we have is his blowing-in-the-wind pronouncements that are all only slightly less cringe than Biden's promises to cure cancer.

If I have to vote, and I'm choosing who to vote for, then the choice is obvious.

But that's not the game. This is the same shitty game they've been trying to force me to play for 32 years. It's not vote for, it's vote against, exactly the way LE put it.

'Cause, you know, it's the most important election of our lifetime, for the, what, sixth time now? We keep getting told this every four years and it's actually true - but only because our situation and our options keep getting shittier. And frankly I'm dead tired of pointing out that the reason for this is precisely because you're all still playing along.

I legitimately did find some good reasons to vote RFK, but I'll be honest - there is one reason that tops all the others.

It's going to really piss off some people here.
 
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Your comment inspired me to go check out RFK's website and read through his policies. And I found at least five MORE planks to vote for him on, in addition to the three I already had.

Then I went to Trump's campaign site, and found that he doesn't even have a policies page or any kind of public statement about what he plans to do. All we have is his blowing-in-the-wind pronouncements that are all only slightly less cringe than Biden's promises to cure cancer.

If I have to vote, and I'm choosing who to vote for, then the choice is obvious.

But that's not the game. This is the same shitty game they've been trying to force me to play for 32 years. It's not vote for, it's vote against, exactly the way LE put it.

'Cause, you know, it's the most important election of our lifetime, for the, what, sixth time now? We keep getting told this every four years and it's actually true - but only because our situation and our options keep getting shittier. And frankly I'm dead tired of pointing out that the reason for this is precisely because you're all still playing along.

I legitimately did find some good reasons to vote RFK, but I'll be honest - there is one reason that tops all the others.

It's going to really piss off some people here.

It's not going to piss me off, I'm glad you did.

If Trump wins, I'd honestly like to see him brought into the administration in some role.
 
You definitely gotta change your name. One that suits you perfectly is Pro-Fed.Gov :up:

Even if you deny it, hey man, you’ve been On the Record with all of your posts :tears:

When you find yourself in agreement with the likes of Liz Cheney, Karl Rove, Mitt Romney and Bill Kristol, you might wan to re-think your position, just a bit.
 
When you find yourself in agreement with the likes of Liz Cheney, Karl Rove, Mitt Romney and Bill Kristol, you might wan to re-think your position, just a bit.

When you find yourself deciding who to support by looking at who your fave celebs in the uniparty soap opera side with, you might want to rethink whether your principles are more important than this little drama.
 
And frankly I'm dead tired of pointing out that the reason for this is precisely because you're all still playing along.

I would say that roughly 90 percent of the tyranny we suffer under, is regulatory tyranny.

"Rules" written by unelected and unaccountable apparatchiks, by the thousands, that all have the force of law.

A major legal doctrine that permitted this was just struck down by judges that were appointed because of who was voted into the white house.

A shitty compromise, sure.

But still the biggest blow to the state and it's power, in over 100 years.

Nobody has the stomach for doing what would need to be done to more quickly and completely solve the mess we are in, so that is all we are left with.
 
When you find yourself deciding who to support by looking at who your fave celebs in the uniparty soap opera side with, you might want to rethink whether your principles are more important than this little drama.

I've stated my five reasons many times.

If those fade away or get dismissed, then I will as well.
 
I've stated my five reasons many times.

If those fade away or get dismissed, then I will as well.

And they aren't invalid. They aren't invalid. This isn't a matter of not appreciating the value of the bones he has thrown us. This is a matter of us being past the point where we can survive on bones. We need the meat that the Trump/Biden Tag Team took from us with this Covid/FRN devaluation tag team psyop.

Every good cop/bad cop scam has a good cop that really is significantly better than the bad cop. Every one of them.
 
And they aren't invalid. They aren't invalid. This isn't a matter of not appreciating the value of the bones he has thrown us. This is a matter of us being past the point where we can survive on bones. We need the meat that the Trump/Biden Tag Team took from us with this Covid/FRN devaluation tag team psyop.

Every good cop/bad cop scam has a good cop that really is significantly better than the bad cop. Every one of them.

And you support Kennedy? When did he become the non-establishment libertarian dream?
 
And you support Kennedy? When did he become the non-establishment libertarian dream?

He's anything but that.

But I don't happen to think he sees eye to eye with the deep state. In fact, I think he wants to open the mRNA jab can of worms. And when he does, he will be in scalding hot water. Then we can do a sitting president favors which no Democrat or Republican could ever need from us. There's a meaningful seat at the proverbial table.

I don't have the unrealistic expectations some libertarians have. I just want to undo the 1963 coup. I see a chance of that right now, but only with Kennedy.
 
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