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What was the over all cause of the Great depression

RJB

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I've read lots of conflicting theories, but I was wondering if there was a somewhat quick summary. Particularly the role of the Fed Reserve.

A socialist friend and I were arguing politics over beer. I was holding my own on economics until we came to the depression. He mentioned that the "wealthy capitalists pulled some schemes and got richer."

To which I responded, "Oh you mean Rockefeller, Morgan, Rothchild... The guys on the Fed..."

He changed the subject as usual, but I realized I'm very weak here.
 
I've read lots of conflicting theories, but I was wondering if there was a somewhat quick summary. Particularly the role of the Fed Reserve.

A socialist friend and I were arguing politics over beer. I was holding my own on economics until we came to the depression. He mentioned that the "wealthy capitalists pulled some schemes and got richer."

To which I responded, "Oh you mean Rockefeller, Morgan, Rothchild... The guys on the Fed..."

He changed the subject as usual, but I realized I'm very weak here.

http://mises.org/rothbard/agd/contents.asp
 
This is just one take. Very smart people here who are better educated in economics have disagreed with it. But it does serve, I think, as a good background so you can read the rest in context.

Panics on Wall Street were common and often engineered. Banks like Morgan's were often calling notes (loans which had been used to buy stock) in order to force a correction so the rich could steal from the middle class. I suspect that the October 1929 crash was one of those. One of the main reasons, imo, The Street didn't recover right away was that there was a drought in the Bread Basket of the World (ever hear of the Dust Bowl?). A large part of our national wealth has been our incredible ability to produce food. So, a (possibly forced) correction coincided with a spike in food prices. Not good.

Someone with more economics behind them please pick up the tale, now... Thx
 
Actpulsa is partly correct. There are many, many factors...

Of course the economic liberals will turn to Rothbard and Mises to explain away what was ultimately a failure of wealth distribution attributed to unregulated markets.

The truth is, Keynesian models and the war saved this country, and failure after failure of attempts to get the private sector to help in both England and the U.S. failed... it was the massive government spending that eventually boosted us to stability.

Eccles, in his memoirs, said famously:

As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth -- not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced -- to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nation's economic machinery. Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants. In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped.

Of course, Eccles himself is a biased source... but it was he who placed the blame on the Federal Reserve himself, in his memoirs... a sort of self-blame for the allowing the massive firms to gain such advantage in the market. The irony is that his sorrow is the best resource in this regard because his ego, unlike Rothbard, is non-existent. It was a sad apologetic tone, and one that sheds light on the real causes of the Depression, without political agenda, or face saving.
 
Increased expansion of the money supply then strong retraction created a speculative bubble which burst.

The roaring 20's = 2000 housing bubble.

The weird weather prolonged it.
 
Increased expansion of the money supply then strong retraction created a speculative bubble which burst.

The roaring 20's = 2000 housing bubble.

The weird weather prolonged it.

why should there be any "bubbles"? Why do we need these "planners" in the first place??
 
The weird weather prolonged it.

...and ridiculously outdated farming techniques. Much of Oklahoma's topsoil was carried away by the winds because crop rotation was something practiced by "those damned smart longhair type s.o.b. farmers".

Needless to say, every Oklahoma farmer rotates his crops today.
 
...and ridiculously outdated farming techniques. Much of Oklahoma's topsoil was carried away by the winds because crop rotation was something practiced by "those damned smart longhair type s.o.b. farmers".

Needless to say, every Oklahoma farmer rotates his crops today.

And they build trees now to block the wind....

Ironically, they could be doing something even better, by building windmills. Yes, weather was one cause, but it was mostly just good (or bad) timing on nature's part.
 
Dont forget that FDR burned crops and slaughtered farm animals to maintain prices (keep them up instead of letting them drop).
 
The short answer is that the ability to trade on margin was introduced. And margin calls were put in scaring newbies into bailing out. Newbie meaning just about everyone because trading on margin was brand new. And too many did so all at once.

The movie Zeitgeist will tell you that it was the federal reserve that allowed for this new ability to trade on margin to happen.
 
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Great grandmother's advice to my mother about the Great Depression, with my addendum:

Those who went through it with the least impact on their daily lives, meaning the ordinary folks of course, did three things--

1. No unsecured debt--i.e. credit cards today

2. The ability and opportunity to grow their own food and the knowledge and ability to store and keep this food.

3. The willingness to take on cash paying, or bartering, lodgers

Of course today we face another facet of the depression prism---a government that salivates at the prospect of taking away any and all freedoms at the slightest chance. Thus my addendum:

4. The ability to defend one's home and self from the government and/or marauders.
 
The truth is, Keynesian models and the war saved this country, and failure after failure of attempts to get the private sector to help in both England and the U.S. failed... it was the massive government spending that eventually boosted us to stability.
LOL, where did you learn your history
 
Come on, econ majors. You just waiting for me to bungle through the rest of the story so you can flame me?
 
Come on, econ majors. You just waiting for me to bungle through the rest of the story so you can flame me?

I won't flame you.

And there are no "econ majors" here... only krazy kaju and his fresh new Comparative Economics 101 course at Kettering University, or similar toolshed institute in Michigan.
 
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