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In two months, I will have paid off all debts I owe except for one car loan (~13,000) and a mortgage (~80,000).

That being said, the money that I was using to pay off consumer debt will now be mine to do as I please.

What should I do with this extra income? BTW, I will have at least $2,000/month to invest with.

I was thinking of first let a small cushion accumulate in my checking account (~3,000) as to not worry about being short. Then, I was thinking of opening up a starter savings account and once this account had a sufficient amount in it (~5,000), then I would start putting money into a money market account, then a CD, etc.

Or, should I be taking an entirely different approach?

I'm asking because most people in this forum are extremely financial savvy.

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Get a cash cushion, then start socking the money into guns, ammo, gold & silver, and storable food. Adjust based on the existing conditions. If it starts going downhill fast, make sure you're covered on the food and weapons. After you're ready for whatever happens, then decide what to do with what's coming in.

I'd lean away from conventional investments at present.
 
Gold, silver, stocks that mine and agriculture stock as well. I'm up 20k in one week with this group! :) Of course i'm only a college student and this is only a fake investment class lol
 
Diversify

Conventional investments to promote growth

Physical forms of security like gold, silver, etc to maintain wealth.

Rebalance often

I wouldn't put a lot in a savings account or CD right now because you make next to nothing on them and might just break even considering inflation.

I have one savings account that I keep open just to use with my debit card and paypal. I keep $100 in there. They give me a nickel a month interest. Now if you were going to loan someone $100 for a month would you charge them more than a nickel interest? That's what you're doing when you put your money into most savings accounts.

Make your money work for you through smart investments and physical forms of wealth that maintain their value.

A lot of people are saying not to play the markets right now but I'm just the opposite. I hear a lot of people saying how much they've lost the last few months. When investing you want to buy low and sell high. Now is the time to be buying low. A lot of the stocks will come back up, it might take 5 years or 10 years but they will rebound. If you're young and can afford to be a risk taker then put maybe 25% of your money into high growth potential investments. You might lose some or all of it but you don't get anywhere without taking risks.

Put the other 75% into gold, silver, commodities, etc.

I figure I'm 31 years old and won't be retiring for another 30 years at least so I'm willing to take some big risks with part of my money for the next 10 years and the rest I'll play it safe with.

I set up a 401k through work and contribute $300 a month because it lowers my tax liability every year. It makes it look like I make $3600 less and it keeps me in a lower tax bracket. I'd rather do that and take some risks than just pay most of it to Uncle Sam.

Then I have a Roth IRA for buying more solid investments and some metals. Whatever I have leftover each month after contributing to the 401k and Roth goes into physical bullion.

We are in for some crazy financial times ahead but I think we'll make it through them. If you're young like I am start thinking about retirement and saving for it now in a 401k or an IRA because in order to get out of the debt this country is in Social security will have to be scrapped in the next 20-30 years and it'd be a real bitch to be 10 years from retirement before you start planning for it. You can't grow money that fast.

I'm just as worried as everyone else about where we're headed but at the same time I'm not ready to adopt the 'sky is falling" mindset and put all of my money into one area to get ready for pandemonium only to make it through that then realize i screwed myself by not investing.
 
My plan is to spend myself into bankruptcy, since the economy's going to crash soon anyway and the money will be completely worthless.

Okay, that's not really my plan, but it's tempting.
 
What should I do with this extra income? BTW, I will have at least $2,000/month to invest with.

I was thinking of first let a small cushion accumulate in my checking account (~3,000) as to not worry about being short. Then, I was thinking of opening up a starter savings account and once this account had a sufficient amount in it (~5,000), then I would start putting money into a money market account, then a CD, etc.


One of my buddies is in a similiar position and asked me for some advice. I said, "Well, we've talked a lot about it. Start accumulating as much cash, denominated in gold ounces, as you can. Cash is king." You need to understand that the financial world revolves around the sun (gold) not the earth (US$). The 60 year credit expansion of the US$ bubble is popping and we have entered a credit contraction. There will be untold trillions of dollars of wealth destroyed during this deflationary Depression. Cash will be king. Gold is the ultimate form of cash. Burrow down the pyramid.

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I highly recommend using GoldMoney as you can learn more at RunToGold.com. I have heard good things about BullionVault but have not used their services extensively so I don't have much of an opinion.

I wouldn't keep anything material in a US bank. I discuss why on my site under the Blog. Basically the entire banking system is experiencing a stealth bank run right now.

You will not find a better 'safe and conservative' investment than gold held in allocated storage. We are entering a very difficult time financially and if you are not extremely adept your lunch will get eaten. A lot of the financially adept are even getting their lunch eaten.


Gold, silver, stocks that mine and agriculture stock as well. I'm up 20k in one week with this group! Of course i'm only a college student and this is only a fake investment class lol

Wow, good job. Now you need to do it in real life as that is a whole different game with completely different emotions when you are using real money in real time. We really need to get rid of the current monetary system as it is completely ridiculous, unfair and immoral.
 
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"You will not find a better 'safe and conservative' investment than gold held in allocated storage."

When you say allocated, do you mean in home or with a company like bullion vault?
 
"You will not find a better 'safe and conservative' investment than gold held in allocated storage."

When you say allocated, do you mean in home or with a company like bullion vault?

Those can both be forms of allocated storage.

Allocated storage refers to storage of client precious metal on a segmented (segregated) basis. In this type of storage, the client's precious metal products are stored separately in a safe deposit box.

You want title to vest in your name not the institution's. There are many people who have gold on deposit at some of the big banks who really are unsecured creditors. If the big banks go bust you get in line with the creditors. If title vests with you, and not the bank, then the asset is not on the bank's balance sheet. Like your suit at the dry-cleaners. If the dry-cleaner goes bankrupt then the creditors don't get your suit.

It can be extremely hard to find non-fractional reserve allocated storage type gold. Banks do not make much profit off of allocated storage. Same with taking possession of your share certificates (which you should be doing right now if you haven't already!).
 
I don't know, gold seems alot more liquid if I can hold it in my hand. >_>

Just my opinion on any type of 'stored' gold.
 
I agree...

what's the point of storing it if we think that there is going to be some chaos and collapse?

Even if there is a massive worldwide financial crash the sun will rise the next morning and people will still want breakfast and there will be people willing to cook it for them.

I suppose your thinking is fine if you have very small amounts of wealth. But I can't hold all the gold I own in my hands .... nor would I want to. I'd have to guard it, maintain its chain of integrity and custody, insure it, etc. Plus, I have investments and ownership interests all over the world. I want my gold in a jurisdiction where property rights are respected. The US is too unfriendly towards capital and it like freedom goes where it is appreciated.

If it gets really bad I'll use the physical bullion on hand to get to my stash or self-sufficient orchard. But I seriously doubt we are imminently facing that type of a situation; total Mad Max. We are in for a Long Emergency and will have year after year of bad news but life will go on. Some people will get wealthier and wealthier during this time.
 
In two months, I will have paid off all debts I owe except for one car loan (~13,000) and a mortgage (~80,000).

Great job. You're a lot further ahead already than most Americans.


What should I do with this extra income? BTW, I will have at least $2,000/month to invest with.

I was thinking of first let a small cushion accumulate in my checking account (~3,000) as to not worry about being short. Then, I was thinking of opening up a starter savings account and once this account had a sufficient amount in it (~5,000), then I would start putting money into a money market account, then a CD, etc.

Or, should I be taking an entirely different approach?

I'm sure you'll get as many different opinions on that as there are people on this forum, but here's my two cents worth:

1. Continue to work on paying off the rest of your debt.
2. Building up a small cash cushion is a good idea. Keep some emergency cash at home in case your bank runs into problems. No need to bother with a savings account.
3. Skip the money market account -- too many risks there at the moment
4. With the remaining money, diversify something along these lines. No need to save up much to get started. Invest as the money comes in:

20% Foreign currencies (Australian, New Zealand and Canadian dollars, possibly the Swiss Franc and the Euro -- or use something like the Merk Fund)
20% Gold or Silver coins in your personal possession
20% Gold in allocated form in an overseas vault -- either GoldMoney, BullionVault or Perth Mint certificates. I prefer BV myself, but each option has its pros and cons.
20% Agricultural commodities -- with your budget, probably through an ETF like DBA
20% Stocks in countries with commodity-based economies (Aus, NZ, Canada) -- the exact mix depends on your tolerance for risk, need for income, etc.
 
Get silver and not just any silver get yourself some canadian maple leafs (american dollars are collectibles and cost more due to it so get the canadian version which has the same amount of silver for LESS cost) or simply 100 oz of silver each month and stock up. That will be by far the best investment any of us could make.

If and when the dollar does crash or even while it depreciates, silver will go up and is at a price that normal people can invest in it unlike how gold is right now. The other great thing is unlike a piece of paper like a bond, cert or whatever you will have the physical silver onhand and not some piece of paper that could end up not even be worth something to even be able to cash in like many did with those liberty dollar certs that the fed took.

Always get ACTUAL metal and not a certificate.

Then if you need to pull money out of your "investment" you can go to your local coin shop and get market price for it minus their fee of course. Better then investing or saving the soon to be worthless dollar AND silver itself is ready to go BOOM and really be an investment worth doing.

Happy to see a person not living behind his means, I have done that and have been trying to get back on ever since. Sometimes I think of the dollar crash as a good thing because then my debt would be worth the paper it was printed on which would be nothing. Of course they will sneak something in like the amero to take our debt out of the dollar and make sure it gets accounted for somehow I am sure.

Invest in REAL things like silver and stockpile it for when you need it. Don't buy into the "silver certs" b.s. because just like the fed note they too are only paper.
 
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6 months of salary might be a bit steep for some people. I'd say 6 months of expenses is a better way to go.

Of course, if they're living paycheck to paycheck that's 6 months of salary.
 
Good question

It seems to me that the fundamental question we need to answer is "What is going to happen to the exchange value of the dollar?" If the exchange value of the dollar is going to go down (inflation like Weimar Germany), then you want to get out of dollars. If it is going to go up (deflation like the Great Depression), you want to hold dollars. Of course whichever path you take, you have another question - if you flee dollars where do you go and if you stay in dollars, how do you hold them? But first the fundamental question.

The exchange value of the dollar, like the exchange value of everything else, is determined by supply and demand. There are two kinds of dollars: actual FR notes printed by the Fed, and credit created by the Fed and its running dogs (the banks). Both kinds of dollars will cause inflation when their supply outstrips demand. But there is an important difference. In an economic collapse, the dollars created by fractional reserve bank credit will evaporate as people default on loans. POOF!!! those dollars are gone. But Fed notes will not evaporate. So, if the credit bubble collapses and the Fed does nothing about it, the supply of dollars will be reduced by the amount of the credit bubble. And that is a LOT! This is what happened in the Great Depression. The credit bubble collapsed, people's savings, which had been loaned out, evaporated, and the money supply dramatically decreased. In that scenario, the value of the Fed notes - the dollars that did not evaporate - increased dramatically. People who had their cash stuffed in their mattresses did well. People who had trusted the banks and allowed their money to be loaned out were screwed.

So the critical question on this point is what will the Government and the Fed do? If banks are going under, hundreds of thousands of people are losing their homes, insured savings accounts are evaporating, businesses are going under in record numbers, unemployment is going through the roof, social unrest is spilling out into the streets, government tax revenues are plummeting at all levels, and people are clammoring for government handouts, what will the government and the Fed do? Will they allow it to happen and simply say "we have no money"? OR will the government PRINT money? I suspect the later BECAUSE it seems easier and politicians will take the easy way, AND because it will ease the damage most for the insiders who will get the inflated dollars first. Just like inflation has always worked, but on a vastly accelerated basis. If the printing of new money fills in the hole created by the collapse of the credit bubble, we will not have deflation.

But there is more.

The government and the Fed have been increasing the world's supply of dollars for a LONG time. The only reason we haven't seen worse inflation is because of the huge demand for the dollar around the world as the currency of international trade and the reserve currency of most countries. But that situation is changing. Many countries are starting to shy away from the dollar because it is starting to show serious inflationary weakness. If you are holding a trillion dollars in reserve and those dollars are losing 10% of their values annually through inflation, you are losing a LOT of money. And if you are doing business internationally and the dollar is fluctuating wildly, it makes business calculations more difficult. There is a movement afoot internationally to look to currencies other than the dollar for reserve holdings and for trade. The benefits the US has reaped as a result of being able to print "the world's money" have not been lost on the Chinese, the Russians or the EU. They are all looking to have their currencies replace the dollar.

Over half of all dollars in circulation are in the hands of foreigners. IF the international community dumps the dollar, the total demand for the dollar will drop dramatically. Remember that it is supply AND demand that determines the exchange value of the dollar. If the demand for the dollar drops precipitously because of international rejection, the value of the dollar will follow.

This is a long-winded way of getting to the point: if the international community continues to use dollars as they have in the past, and if the US government and the Fed allow a deflationary collapse and default on programatic obligations, then we will have deflation and the dollars in your mattress will be valuable. Although the dollars in most investments will evaporate.

But if you think, as I do, that our government will print money in vast quantities to try and stave off the collapse AND to pay off the insiders and if you think, as I do, that the dollar is going to be dumped by the international community, then there is going to be inflation. Hyper inflation. And in a hyper inflation, the dollar will lose all of its value no matter what form you hold it in.

So what to do with your money?

If you think there is going to be a deflationary collapse, you should take all your money out of all investments and hold the actual cash. This kinda sucks because we already have 10% inflation so your cash is rotting in the vault. But NO investment is going to pay 10% anyway, so if you hold dollars now, it is only a question of how much value they lose unless and until there is a deflation. But if ther IS a deflation and you have dollars in hand, you will be king! Of course if you bet on deflation and get hyper inflation instead, you have lost everything.

If, on the other hand, you think there is going to be inflation, you need to get out of dollars entirely. Some foreign currencies and commodity stocks may be good, but most foreign currencies are inflationary too. And I frankly don't trust the stock market now. I doubt that ANY stock can keep up with hyper inflation. So I believe that to weather hyper inflation, you need to convert your dollars to hard assets held in hand. Precious metals, guns, ammo, food, clothing, fuel etc. If we have a hyper inflationary collapse, we are going to have a deeply crippled economy working on barter at first and later on an underground currency consisting of precious metal coins, cigarettes, canned food and maybe ammo. In any event, even if there is deflation instead of inflation, hard assets hold their value. So you can't really lose. You just may not win big.

That is my analysis.

Good luck.
 
Pay off your car.

After that keep 6 months of living expenses in an emergency fund.

Then invest and or pay off the mortgage early.

I'm down to a little over 70k on a mortgage, we've got a decent emergency fund, but the wife and I can't agree on how to invest beyond simple savings, she's just not interested in talking about it.

So for me I'm paying extra principal on the mortgage and trying to get rid of it over the next 5 years.

I hate how slow it is but the idea of owing no one any money at all is very attractive.

Worse comes to worst with a paid for house and no debts even menial jobs can keep a family afloat during a Depression.

Now if I can just get my wife to actually talk to me about buying some gold/silver and not go into her passive-aggressive mode when I bring it up... :(
 
In two months, I will have paid off all debts I owe except for one car loan (~13,000) and a mortgage (~80,000).

That being said, the money that I was using to pay off consumer debt will now be mine to do as I please.

What should I do with this extra income? BTW, I will have at least $2,000/month to invest with.

I was thinking of first let a small cushion accumulate in my checking account (~3,000) as to not worry about being short. Then, I was thinking of opening up a starter savings account and once this account had a sufficient amount in it (~5,000), then I would start putting money into a money market account, then a CD, etc.

Or, should I be taking an entirely different approach?

I'm asking because most people in this forum are extremely financial savvy.

:cool:

Go to silverstockreport.com, read a bit before you make your decision.
 
In two months, I will have paid off all debts I owe except for one car loan (~13,000) and a mortgage (~80,000).

That being said, the money that I was using to pay off consumer debt will now be mine to do as I please.

What should I do with this extra income? BTW, I will have at least $2,000/month to invest with.

I was thinking of first let a small cushion accumulate in my checking account (~3,000) as to not worry about being short. Then, I was thinking of opening up a starter savings account and once this account had a sufficient amount in it (~5,000), then I would start putting money into a money market account, then a CD, etc.

Or, should I be taking an entirely different approach?

I'm asking because most people in this forum are extremely financial savvy.

:cool:


Build up an emergency fund - which you keep stored in gold or denominated in safe currencies such as the Swiss franc - and then start paying down your other debt.
 
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