What this whole thing is really about..

[Redcard]

I think the thing we're forgetting is that this campaign is not about Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a 72 year old man who won't be able to get all those libertarian things he wants done. The thing that we're forgetting is that if the messager is ever more important than the message, that the message is not worth it.

I think Ron Paul knows he's not going to win, and went into this with an intention to plant a seed, to get a message out there. Look, realistically, even he got elected as President, he'd never agree with Congress. They'd send something up, he'd veto it, they'd override.. and this would continue for 4 years, and then they'd elect someone new and all laugh at the failed "libertarian experiment."

Ron Paul knows this. Before we even get a president in, we _MUST_ get a supportive legislature in play. I think that's the long term effect of the seed that Paul has planted.

In short, I don't think there's a way he will be president. I think he'll lose big in SC and lose big in MI and lose big on Super Tuesday. I think the youth won't show up for him.

BUT.. I also think that some movement has been started here, and that in 20 or 30 years, we can see a Libertarian president and some major changes.

The Government of the US was built by a bunch of people who squabbled and fought in a hot summer convention. It was built to be able to change, but not change quickly. The goal was to represent the will of the people, no matter what the will was. The people are not ready for this message yet, but they will be. And when they are ready, the change will come.

We're a very young country, in many regards. We've tried a lot of things, and we'll keep trying. But the founders of this country knew that we could never make it about a single man. They knew that they had to make it so that it would NEVER work if a single man tried to be more important than the will of the people. So Ron Paul will NEED a government he can work with to effect change.

So that's the long and short of it. I don't think Paul has intended to win. I don't think he wants to be president, and I don't think he can do what he wants to do. But I do think it's important that he has said what needed to be said. I do think it gives us a platform to start moving forward with for congress. I do think that it'll be something that happens.

Maybe not in Ron Paul's lifetime, but in ours.

 

[MsDoodahs]

We do not have 20 to 30 years.

 

[Redcard]

We do not have 20 to 30 years.

Well, that's how long this is going to take.

You cannot run a country like this one without the support of the three branches of government. It doesn't have to be abject submission , but it must be compromise. Look at the Dems.. they said they'd do all this stuff in their first hundred days. They couldn't, because the remainder of the republicans in the legislature and the president shut them down on it.

Now imagine something FAR more ambitious than what the dems had. That's Ron Paul. He's not going to get it to work just by fiat. The message is more important than the messenger.

IF you want this government to change, start small, and work your way up. That'll take probably about 20 to 30 years. IF we keep this focused intensity going, we should have that government soon.

As for not having that time... I remember in the 80s, we were so certain the world would be a festering wasteland of radioactive nuclear winter in 2000.. so don't be so certain that we don't have the time.

 

[mosquitobite]

I am motivated because I see others who think like me.

Before Dr Paul ran, I thought I was a miniscule minority (thanks to the current GOP leadership!)

This revolution is not a 1 yr or 4 yr sprint. We have to work for REAL change, even after this election. We must help educate others. We must run for office. We MUST not be apathetic EVER again!!

.

 

[RoyalShock]

I am motivated because I see others who think like me.

Before Dr Paul ran, I thought I was a miniscule minority (thanks to the current GOP leadership!)

This revolution is not a 1 yr or 4 yr sprint. We have to work for REAL change, even after this election. We must help educate others. We must run for office. We MUST not be apathetic EVER again!!

.

Bingo!

QFT

 

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

Well, that's how long this is going to take.

You cannot run a country like this one without the support of the three branches of government. It doesn't have to be abject submission , but it must be compromise. Look at the Dems.. they said they'd do all this stuff in their first hundred days. They couldn't, because the remainder of the republicans in the legislature and the president shut them down on it.

Now imagine something FAR more ambitious than what the dems had. That's Ron Paul. He's not going to get it to work just by fiat. The message is more important than the messenger.

IF you want this government to change, start small, and work your way up. That'll take probably about 20 to 30 years. IF we keep this focused intensity going, we should have that government soon.

As for not having that time... I remember in the 80s, we were so certain the world would be a festering wasteland of radioactive nuclear winter in 2000.. so don't be so certain that we don't have the time.

The threat of nuclear winter in the 80's, and the Cold War iself, was a scam. In the 80's, the Patriot Act, Military Commisions Act. Presidential Directive 51, HR 1955, etc. did not exist. On paper, we are technically all domestic terrorists now. You really should read HR 1955. We don't have 20 to 30 years. We won't even exist as a sovereign nation by then. We are on the verge of checkmate.

You are correct though, in that RP can't do it alone. We have to elect him a like-minded Congress now as well. If not now, then in 2010. If we don't get him in the White House this year though, forget it.

 

[hazek]

Ron has said it even him self. Paraphrazing "I just wanted to set an example, a record so that when things will go really south and people start looking around for ideas how to run this country they would look into my record and say "oh maybe that's how we should do it" I never imagined in my wildest dreams that this campaign would mount such a success"

So there you have it, even if we fail with Ron, he woke people up, he set an example and we should follow it and continue his in ideas.