What if we abolished the United States government on the fifth of November?

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

EDIT: Please see this thread, now

Haha, it's late, I'm tired, and I just had a totally random thought. Maybe it's the long day at work that's gotten to me. Maybe it's the extreme frustration with my elected Representatives (all of whom voted for the bailout) and the government that just nonchalantly passed this bailout over the wishes of 90% of its people, and the feeling of hopelessness at attempting to influence or change or reform this government, let alone the Republican party. I'm just going to throw this out right now, really quick, because I know if I think about it too much, I'll probably wuss out and decide not to make this post.

The Declaration of Independence and many state constitutions (as another thread pointed out) declare that we the People have the right to abolish our government, if we see fit.

What if on this coming Fifth of November, we declared our intention to see the United States government abolished in one year (on November 5th, 2009), and then on the Fifth of November of 2009, we abolished it?

As libertarians, obviously, we don't believe in the initiation of aggression against person or property, but who says we HAVE to have violence and weapons to abolish this government? So, I'm not advocating violence, and I'm not necessarily advocating the destruction of a building (a la Guy Fawkes or V For Vendetta), but the day has such a significance, seeing as it will be the day immediately after McCain or Obama is elected, seeing as it is the day that one year previously launched the Ron Paul Revolution into reality, and seeing as it is a day that is associated both by history and by pop culture with revolution in government.

How much longer are we going to wait? How much more money is the state going to steal? How much more power is the state going to violate its own constitution and the will of its people to grab? Tell me, how many more lives do we allow the state to take and send off to die in a war of aggression? Where will this end? Where are we going to draw the line?

If the Founders could come visit us in our time and see where we are and see what our government has become. What would they say? I'm almost afraid they would chastise us for not having abolished this government yet. I'm afraid they would say, "Look at what you have allowed to grow! Look at how you let this beast steal from, control, imprison, and kill your fellow countrymen! And you've let it live like this for HOW LONG?"

I have the distinct feeling that if we could ask our Founders what course of action we should take concerning the government right now, they would come back resoundingly saying, "Abolish it, and suffer it not another day to live and thieve and murder."

We could, if we wanted to, give them a Fifth of November they would truly never, ever forget.







Proceed with the scathing responses and the labelling of this as a dumb idea and of me as one who is just trying to stir up trouble. I know what I'm getting into... Ha...

 

[RonPaulwillWin]

Money bomb?

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Money bomb?

I mean, really the main reason the US government has power over us is because we let it. We respect it. We fear it. We worship it.

If on the Fifth of November of 2009, a huge amount of us came together, maybe in front of the White House, or the Capitol Building, or the Supreme Court, or all of the above, and just declared our independence from it, what could they do?

All we have to do to abolish its power is just not respect it anymore. Then, from there on out, when they tell us to give them money, or they tell us to behave in certain ways, their command just holds no more sway in our mind than the command of some Joe Blow from the street. They're just another human being, no more valuable or worthy of respect than any of us, who happens to be wearing a funny suit and who works in a goofy looking building.

All they have left is guns. What... Are they going to shoot us? That's their call.

Our Founders documented VERY WELL that this country was founded on the right of the People to abolish this government if they saw fit. Well, say we do see fit. So, let's abolish it. Let's gather all the people we can, go to Washington D.C. and dissolve it. If they want to stay in their old buildings and continue to make laws that they claim we have to abide by, then let them knock themselves out. We won't abide by them any more than the dictates of some random guy off the street. If they want to shoot at us, well, then no one on Earth will say we're in the wrong when we defend ourselves, our family, and our property. I don't want a violent revolutionary war against the government, but that's the government's call, not mine.

See what I'm saying...?

 

[Spider-Man]

I'm not sure, but I think Joe Lie-berman passed some bill that says you don't have the right to do that anymore.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I'm not sure, but I think Joe Lie-berman passed some bill that says you don't have the right to do that anymore.

So?

The question is, would anyone else be willing to do this with me?

 

[Knightskye]

Blow up Parliament! Err... the Capitol!

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Blow up Parliament! Err... the Capitol!

Haha...
Like I said in the OP, I'm not necessarily advocating the demolition of a building. Just enough people coming together in one place at one time to dissolve the government through regular and peaceful means.

The more I think about this, the less skeptical I am that this a "stupid idea."

How much longer are we going to wait? How much more money is the state going to steal? How much more power is the state going to violate its own constitution and the will of its people to grab? Tell me, how many more lives do we allow the state to take and send off to die in a war of aggression? Where will this end? Where are we going to draw the line?

 

[bojo68]

So?

The question is, would anyone else be willing to do this with me?

Hahahaha, there are a number of people that have been doing it for years....
I think by definition the slave uprising deal's purpose is just that.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Hahahaha, there are a number of people that have been doing it for years....

I realize this. What I'm advocating, however, is something on a much larger and more poignant scale. Millions of people, in the same place, at the same time, with the same message. It's more symbolic and psychological than anything, but maybe it's the jolt we need to truly sever our bonds with this government.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

wow the gov is going to track you down and put you in prison for being a homegrown terrorist. Freedom? COMMIE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORIST!

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

wow the gov is going to track you down and put you in prison for being a homegrown terrorist. Freedom? COMMIE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORIST!

If just a few of us advocate this, then quite possibly. But what if thousands, or even millions, of us did this? Will they put a whole chunk of their population in prison? Then what?

 

[fj45lvr]

You should research out the power that a State County Sheriff has (it is greater than the feds if I remember correctly some legal cases).

Don't bother to try to protest the FEDS just LEAVE em....take your money out of BANKS, avoid paying as many taxes as you can and get "off the grid".

What is it that they demand of you now??? and if you believe you are being used as their SLAVE how do you cease being a slave??



Also the Declaration of Independence doesn't just say it is our "right"!!! It says it is "OUR DUTY"

 

[bojo68]

Well, Myself the idea of getting a bunch of people corralled where they could be easily rounded up isn't my cup of tea. That aside though, it might be kinda interesting to ask somebody like Andrew Napolitano just exactly what the proper form would be for disbanding/divorcing the govt. would be. I'm thinking like a petition with so many representatives from so many areas?? Something like that, maybe similar to the requirements for a constitutional convention???
If it was done that way, and we fell short one way or another, there would be no excuse for the still in place govt to abuse those having took part, because it was all legal. That in and of itself should make it easier for us to get the crowds needed.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

You should research out the power that a State County Sheriff has (it is greater than the feds if I remember correctly some legal cases).

Don't bother to try to protest the FEDS just LEAVE em....take your money out of BANKS, avoid paying as many taxes as you can and get "off the grid".

What is it that they demand of you now??? and if you believe you are being used as their SLAVE how do you cease being a slave??



Also the Declaration of Independence doesn't just say it is our "right"!!! It says it is "OUR DUTY"

I agree: however what I'm advocating is this very thing, but on a massive and sudden scale. Millions of people in one place, at one time, with one message. Is there anyone who would join me in this on the Fifth of November of 2009? Because it'd be a waste of time to do this alone.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Well, Myself the idea of getting a bunch of people corralled where they could be easily rounded up isn't my cup of tea. That aside though, it might be kinda interesting to ask somebody like Andrew Napolitano just exactly what the proper form would be for disbanding/divorcing the govt. would be. I'm thinking like a petition with so many representatives from so many areas?? Something like that, maybe similar to the requirements for a constitutional convention???
If it was done that way, and we fell short one way or another, there would be no excuse for the still in place govt to abuse those having took part, because it was all legal. That in and of itself should make it easier for us to get the crowds needed.

That sounds like a smart idea. And maybe November 5th, 2008 could be the starting point for that process, culminating in the final severance of bonds on November 5th, 2009...?

To be honest, I don't think I can do just another petition. I've signed so many petitions, made so many calls, cast so many votes, and nothing. A formal petition would be very good, but only if coupled with a massive and sudden action of many, many people together at once, on a single day in a symbolic location.

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

So?

The question is, would anyone else be willing to do this with me?

All across the nation. I had planned on this already. I'll be marching on my capitol with my white armband.


www.slaveuprising.com

 

[bojo68]

That sounds like a smart idea. And maybe November 5th, 2008 could be the starting point for that process, culminating in the final severance of bonds on November 5th, 2009...?

To be honest, I don't think I can do just another petition. I've signed so many petitions, made so many calls, cast so many votes, and nothing. A formal petition would be very good, but only if coupled with a massive and sudden action of many, many people together at once, on a single day in a symbolic location.

5th of November sounds good to me if we can brew up something that will work that fast, and to use the blind hatred they've generated we should. Sounds like maybe one of us needs to see if we can get Andrew's opinion...

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

All across the nation. I had planned on this already. I'll be marching on my capitol with my white armband.


www.slaveuprising.com

Is there any way Adam Kokesh and the other folks at Slave Uprising would be willing to set an exact day to start the process and an exact day to break our ties with the government? I'm so tired of wishy washy "we'll just have to keep educating the American people," and "only when everyone else is already doing it will I join it," and "it'll be a long process of indefinite timespan."

I say we set a date, preferably with a one year intermission for preparation, then go to the Capitol on that same date the next year, and get it done with.

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

Is there any way Adam Kokesh and the other folks at Slave Uprising would be willing to set an exact day to start the process and an exact day to break our ties with the government? I'm so tired of wishy washy "we'll just have to keep educating the American people," and "only when everyone else is already doing it will I join it," and "it'll be a long process of indefinite timespan."

I say we set a date, preferably with a one year intermission for preparation, then go to the Capitol on that same date the next year, and get it done with.

I hear ya, but it's not as easy as it may sound. I'm doing what I can and if any of it pays off you can be certain everyone here will be the first to hear of it.

 

[tpreitzel]

Is there any way Adam Kokesh and the other folks at Slave Uprising would be willing to set an exact day to start the process and an exact day to break our ties with the government? I'm so tired of wishy washy "we'll just have to keep educating the American people," and "only when everyone else is already doing it will I join it," and "it'll be a long process of indefinite timespan."

I say we set a date, preferably with a one year intermission for preparation, then go to the Capitol on that same date the next year, and get it done with.

As I've noted elsewhere, we're all getting tired of this run around from the dog and pony show known as government. We want action and we're going to get it one way or the other! Congress has drastically misread the tolerance level of the American people with their corruption. I need sleep before answering in more depth. I'm liable to say something that I regret.