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what can i use in the Constitution against universal health care

The constitution doesn't expressly authorize federal socialism. Thus, federal socialism is unconstitutional.
 
10th Ammendment is always useful. Unfortunately, there is plenty of precedent for the 10th being inconsequential to modern legislators.
 
Exactly. Nowhere in Article 1 Section does the Constitution authorize the federal government to run a healthcare program.

Also The 10th Amendment says that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
 
thanks guys

I was outnumbered. Universal health care needs to be something we really REALLY attack because it seems like it's becoming popular. What a disaster in the making! And how much do you want to bet that this issue is the future center issue of the Democratic Party?
 
stormcommander said:
thanks guys

I was outnumbered. Universal health care needs to be something we really REALLY attack because it seems like it's becoming popular. What a disaster in the making! And how much do you want to bet that this issue is the future center issue of the Democratic Party?
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we can team up with even.... neo-cons ... in the fight against socialized medicine
 
stormcommander said:
thanks guys

I was outnumbered. Universal health care needs to be something we really REALLY attack because it seems like it's becoming popular. What a disaster in the making! And how much do you want to bet that this issue is the future center issue of the Democratic Party?
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Just say the government is already involved in health care, you know, Medicare, and how's that coming along? If the government fucked it up the first time, what makes you think the second time will be better?
 
Universal health care won't work. If you want to get an idea of how it might look...look at the VA system.
 
I think we need to also give people some kind of alternative. Bashing socialized medicine and leaving them with the current state of affairs simply won't do. Universal healthcare is becoming so popular in the first place because of the appalling mismanagement and insane costs from the state and the insurance companies.
 
I think universal health care is an impossibility for the foreseeable future anyway. Health care in the US is a 2 TRILLION dollar a year industry. How can the US even begin to transition into something like that? There just isn't money to even start it, and if they tried to raise money for it in advance by raising taxes, people would revolt against it. If they tried to just print the money to start it, that would trigger the Greater Depression.

If universal health care was some how implemented, that would be the last straw for me. I'd be out of the country. I don't have health coverage as it is (although I do have health insurance in case of emergency). What we call "health care" in this country isn't really health care... it's disease management. You're really better off learning how to be healthy on your own. Once you get unhealthy, and need health care, you're screwed. Just look at all the prescription drug side effects. Any drug that fixes one problem causes some other problem, and it's all down hill from there unless you manage to jump off that train wreck, and make some major life changes to get yourself healthy.

If we had universal health care, what would be next? Will people be fined or jailed for doing unhealthy things that put a monetary burden on everybody else? Will smoking, drinking, and fatty foods be banned? Will there be mandatory monthly check-ups? Will there be mandatory daily exercise routines? How long until they decide that smoking, drinking, or fat people are too much of a burden and the country can no longer afford to keep them alive?

Universal health care is a slippery slope that we can't afford to start down. It might work ok for a while for a young government in a wealthy country, but our government is already WAY too corrupt to give them this kind of power.
 
libertea said:
What can they use in the constitution in it's favor?
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A lot of people will erroneously cite the general welfare clause. What they don't realize is that the phrase "general welfare" is an opposition to "private welfare". In other words, anything the federal government does must be for the People, not for private interests.

For example.... the federal government cannot build a road for use only by people with a certain status. If the federal government builds a road it must be available for all Americans to use.
 
Does it have to be in the Constitution? I've won several arguments against it just using a simple supply & demand graph. By providing health care to everyone, you are in effect artifically increasing demand which shifts the demand curve to the right and sets the equilibrium point at a much higher price for everyone. One argument I've gotten against this is that government could set the price lower. But in this case it would be artifically low, which would lower the supply causing a shortage. You can't force people to provide any service/product if it's not profitable for them.

After this, I've told said universal health care supporters that I'm not cold hearted, and I think it's a noble cause - just not realistic. I've also told them if they come back to me and show me an economic argument showing how it's not only feasible, but beneficial to do it to show it to me and I'd be it's biggest supporter. I have gotten a total of zero people who've taken me up on the challenge.
 
billjarrett said:
Does it have to be in the Constitution? I've won several arguments against it just using a simple supply & demand graph. By providing health care to everyone, you are in effect artifically increasing demand which shifts the demand curve to the right and sets the equilibrium point at a much higher price for everyone. One argument I've gotten against this is that government could set the price lower. But in this case it would be artifically low, which would lower the supply causing a shortage. You can't force people to provide any service/product if it's not profitable for them.

After this, I've told said universal health care supporters that I'm not cold hearted, and I think it's a noble cause - just not realistic. I've also told them if they come back to me and show me an economic argument showing how it's not only feasible, but beneficial to do it to show it to me and I'd be it's biggest supporter. I have gotten a total of zero people who've taken me up on the challenge.
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I took my first economics class this past semester. Ever. They don't teach it in public schools, and it's probably one of the most important things kids could learn. Everything about the way prices and markets worked suddenly made sense - intuitively I knew them but had no formal background in it.

Anyway, I think if I ever hold a position of any political sway I'm going to try to get economics taught in schools, as a requirement...it's certainly more important than a lot of the crap we have in our schools nowadays.
 
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