What Ashli Babbit was doing the moment she got shot

[jmdrake]

I'm just posting this for reference without commentary other than to say that while I wouldn't have shot her, that was a dangerously provocative situation and she wasn't just "peeking through the window."

 

[69360]

She was engaging in criminal activity and she paid for it with her life. I don't think she should have been shot and think the cop was scared and got trigger happy. Still it was a justified shooting. In the end Trump inc was to blame for this by getting some weak minded people all worked up.

 

[phill4paul]

I'm just posting this for reference without commentary other than to say that while I wouldn't have shot her, that was a dangerously provocative situation and she wasn't just "peeking through the window."

Unarmed trespass should be considered a lethal threat? Those who defend themselves and others against it through lethal force should be considered a victim and hailed as a hero.? What about 100k+ trespassing the U.S. border each month? Can I be a victim and a hero too?

 

[phill4paul]

She was engaging in criminal activity and she paid for it with her life. I don't think she should have been shot and think the cop was scared and got trigger happy. Still it was a justified shooting. In the end Trump inc was to blame for this by getting some weak minded people all worked up.

100k+ unarmed trespassers come across the southern border every month. Can I stop THEM with lethal force?

 

[jmdrake]

Unarmed trespass should be considered a lethal threat? Those who defend themselves and others against it through lethal force should be considered a victim and hailed as a hero.? What about 100k+ trespassing the U.S. border each month? Can I be a victim and a hero too?

She was also breaking an entering. And with a mob that was yelling "break it down" and "hang Mike Pence." Imagine if Trump had picked Rand for VP. That's not unthinkable. Rand never went so far as to call the election stolen though he did talk about election fraud. Which means he likely would have drawn the same ire of the mob that Mike Pence drew. A crowd, showing hostile violent intent against an elected official, and one member breaks and attempts to enter. That's your apples to apples comparison.

 

[phill4paul]

She was also breaking an entering. And with a mob that was yelling "break it down" and "hang Mike Pence." Imagine if Trump had picked Rand for VP. That's not unthinkable. Rand never went so far as to call the election stolen though he did talk about election fraud. Which means he likely would have drawn the same ire of the mob that Mike Pence drew. A crowd, showing hostile violent intent against an elected official, and one member breaks and attempts to enter. That's your apples to apples comparison.

Lol. You seem fixated on equating this to the Rand episode. That's the whole crux of your argument.

Get over it.

At no point, whatsoever, even after the dipshits got in, were any politicians lives in jeopardy. When the malcontents made it to the inner sanctum was there a single politician in the room? Or are you worried that AOC felt she was the equivalent of being sexually assaulted a block away. Sheesh dude. Get some fucking perspective.

 

[Dr.3D]

Lol. You seem fixated on equating this to the Rand episode. That's the whole crux of your argument.

Get over it.

At no point, whatsoever, even after the dipshits got in, were any politicians lives in jeopardy. When the malcontents made it to the inner sanctum was there a single politician in the room? Or are you worried that AOC felt she was the equivalent of being sexually assaulted a block away. Sheesh dude. Get some fucking perspective.

From what I saw, most of the people inside the building had been let in as if they were taking a tour.

 

[jmdrake]

Lol. You seem fixated on equating this to the Rand episode. That's the whole crux of your argument.

Get over it.

At no point, whatsoever, even after the dipshits got in, were any politicians lives in jeopardy. When the malcontents made it to the inner sanctum was there a single politician in the room? Or are you worried that AOC felt she was the equivalent of being sexually assaulted a block away. Sheesh dude. Get some $#@!ing perspective.

At no point was Rand's life in jeopardy when he was surrounded by BLM either. Sorry that actual equivalences offend you and you'd rather go with the false equivalence of the southern border. But going with the border, occasionally people get shot trying to get in but it's rare and they usually do something to draw attention to themselves. Ashley Babbitt drew attention to herself by trying to crawl through a broken window.

Edit: And before you say "Nobody ever gets shot by the U.S. Border Patrol" here's the documentation.

https://www.southernborder.org/deaths_by_border_patrol

Edit 2: Now do you care to actually address the breaking and entering aspect of what Ashli Babbitt did? In your mind should an immigrant who merely crosses the Rio Grand where there's no fence be treated the same as one who actually breaks a window at a checkpoint and tries to climb through?

 

[Snowball]

She was engaging in criminal activity and she paid for it with her life. I don't think she should have been shot and think the cop was scared and got trigger happy. Still it was a justified shooting. In the end Trump inc was to blame for this by getting some weak minded people all worked up.

If she broke through, he had every reason to expect a crowd to charge through behind her. If he did not fire, who knows what would have happened?

I sympathise with her cause, and her family, but what she did was foolish.

Trump was very foolish himself, he was a shame for a long time all 2020.

Trump is done. We can put it behind us, finally... the whole charade.

 

[69360]

100k+ unarmed trespassers come across the southern border every month. Can I stop THEM with lethal force?

No, you can not. But the government can because they are also engaged in a criminal act. I don't think they should. I think they should be given a green card and legal status.

 

[phill4paul]

From what I saw, most of the people inside the building had been let in as if they were taking a tour.

They did. There was actual TWO different breach points. As I understand it. And both are conflated into one.

 

[phill4paul]

No, you can not. But the government can because they are also engaged in a criminal act. I don't think they should. I think they should be given a green card and legal status.

I think they should be told to go the fuck back to their own country. We have enough trouble to deal with here. Give us some time to work out or put down this Marxist overthrow, then we can see and vet you.

 

[phill4paul]

If she broke through, he had every reason to expect a crowd to charge through behind her. If he did not fire, who knows what would have happened?

I sympathise with her cause, and her family, but what she did was foolish.

Trump was very foolish himself, he was a shame for a long time all 2020.

Trump is done. We can put it behind us, finally... the whole charade.

Lol. Trump is done? Saw a progressive Biden voter tweet that she regrets voting for Biden but it was, you guessed it...TRUMPS FAULT. LOLOL.

 

[phill4paul]

At no point was Rand's life in jeopardy when he was surrounded by BLM either.

You started there again, after I said it was a bullshit comparison, so we'll leave it there.

 

[Dr.3D]

They did. There was actual TWO different breach points. As I understand it. And both are conflated into one.

Makes the false flag all the more believable. Just a few bad actors and the rest let in to fill in the crowd.

 

[Krugminator2]

Completely justified in shooting her. It is amazing how people will (rightly) support Rittenhouse's self defense but not the defense when domestic terrorists break into the Capitol.

This is what the video should have looked like.

 

[RJB]

LOL. That's some grade C-plus trolling. Pros: You catch people's attention. Cons: We know you are an attention whore.

Completely justified in shooting her. It is amazing how people will (rightly) support Rittenhouse's self defense but not the defense when domestic terrorists break into the Capitol.

This is what the video should have looked like.

 

[Krugminator2]

LOL. That's some grade C-plus trolling. Pros: You catch people's attention. Cons: We know you are an attention whore.

I do enjoy torqueing those who believe in insane shit. It isn't trolling because I mean it. A lot of these are just not debatable issues.

The worst of the worst are people who thought Donald Trump won. He lost handily. I don't even recognize someone who thinks Trump won as human. And especially don't think someone who holds that view and charges into Capitol needs to be breathing.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

LOL. That's some grade C-plus trolling. Pros: You catch people's attention. Cons: We know you are an attention whore.

"C-"? Man, you would have been a great teacher to have in school.

We both know that was "F" quality.

 

[TheTexan]

At no point, whatsoever, even after the dipshits got in, were any politicians lives in jeopardy.

Or Byrd's, for that matter.