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http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/06/breaking-news-upheaval-in-chuck-baldwin-campaign/

BREAKING NEWS Upheaval in Chuck Baldwin campaign?
We have received unconfirmed word of an upheaval of some kind in the Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party) campaign.

An unhappy campaign volunteer (code name “scandinavian”) says: “People who signed up to volunteer were sent messages to a conference call last night where the new campaign manager Anita Andrews spoke. Chuck came on board and let everyone know he was fully supporting Anita and great things are happening.”

This person continues: “We were horrified to hear her say that this campaign will not be associating with Ron Paul, nor continuing the revolution, but that Chuck will be his own candidate, and they will be having a different campaign…. It appears that this person Anita has taken over the Chuck Baldwin campaign and is hostile to spreading Ron Paul’s message.”

There’s no word yet from the Baldwin campaign about a new campaign manager or campaign tack, so at this point this is just an allegation spread by someone who’s unhappy with the new campaign manager.

First, I am particularly suspicious about the transition from “Chuck came on board and let everyone know he was fully supporting Anita” to “It appears that this person Anita has taken over the Chuck Baldwin campaign.” Unless the candidate is just a front man for some shadowy conspiracy (which Baldwin does NOT seem to be!), the campaign manager doesn’t take over the campaign, just the running of the campaign. A campaign manager serves at the pleasure of the nominee and candidate.

Second, the change in direction attributed to Anita Andrews appears to me to be probably a distortion at the least. I know none of the people named in this story, I wasn’t in on the conference call, and I am not supporting any candidate at this time, so I have no horse in this race. But years of experience in politics and all the squabbles and factionalism that comes with a political campaign leads me to conjecture that this may be what happened:

1. One group of Ron Paul volunteers who have switched to supporting Chuck Baldwin emphasizes that this is a continuation of the Paul campaign and the Paul revolution.

2. The candidate says, no, this is the Chuck Baldwin campaign, not the Ron Paul campaign, and finds himself a campaign manager who knows how to make that distinction.

3. The unhappy faction takes to the email circuit, seeing this as a slap in the face to their real hero, Ron Paul.

I see no reason why Chuck Baldwin and his new campaign manager would be spreading anti-Paul messages, since he was a strong backer of Paul as long as that campaign was viable, and it’s my understanding that she was part of the Paul organization (I’ve seen her described as “grassroots trainer” and “National Campaign Organizer”). It’s perfectly reasonable for the candidate to want to be his own man, not a front man for someone who is essentially a former candidate in a different party.

I will say, conspiracy buffs can have a field day with Anita Andrews. Just a few minutes of scratching around led me to postings where her name has quotes around it, as in “Anita Andrews,” suggesting that this is just a front name for someone who doesn’t want her/his/its real name to be exposed. And allegations that she’s part of a secretive organization called the Clifton Coalition. And sure enough, their website says, “This is a closed business group” [supporting Ron Paul] and “membership is by invitation only.” Perfect!

This is almost as much fun as Dr. Wright or McCain’s temper! Anyone know anything about this?
 
Anita Andrews is wonderful

Anita Andrews used to work on the Ron Paul Campaign. She visited our Manhattan NYC RP Meetup Group last October (I think) and gave us an 8 hour crash course on organizing our grassroots and campaign strategy.

Her visit to our group was by far the single most important thing to happen to our group of volunteers, as far as education goes.

Very smart woman, very very smart.

I don't know much about what is going on now, but I don't see a problem with the statement. I don't have a problem with people trying to "brand themselves" instead of attaching themselves to Dr. Paul's name.
 
He claims in his first sentence " We have uncomfirmed word". It looks like he's trying to to make the Baldwin campaign appear unstable and Anti-Revolution. This is exactly the kind of tactics he used for the Woody Jenkins campaign in Baton Rouge. Barr needs to lose this loser.
 
This should be moved to other presidential candidates.

And I pretty much despise Viguerie and WAR. Two libertarian-esque guys who should disappear from the political scene.
 
You people are political newbies who often do not have your facts straight.

Viguerie is a paleo-conservative and a STRONG supporter of Dr. Paul and is the sole reason Dr. Paul was able to speak at CPAC this year. Viguerie had nothing but praise for Paul...and is NOT pro-war.

He made several videos and spoke before many groups in DC on behalf of Dr. Paul defending him and his positions and right to speak in the GOP.
 
You people are political newbies who often do not have your facts straight.

Viguerie is a paleo-conservative and a STRONG supporter of Dr. Paul and is the sole reason Dr. Paul was able to speak at CPAC this year. Viguerie had nothing but praise for Paul...and is NOT pro-war.

He made several videos and spoke before many groups in DC on behalf of Dr. Paul defending him and his positions and right to speak in the GOP.

Apparantly you didn't know he was emailing me to tell me Woody Jenkins was a Ron Paul conservative. Explain that.
 
Not to mention the campaign itself sent out a newsletter explaining that Viguerie was not someone they wanted to do business with.
 
Anita Andrews used to work on the Ron Paul Campaign. She visited our Manhattan NYC RP Meetup Group last October (I think) and gave us an 8 hour crash course on organizing our grassroots and campaign strategy.

Her visit to our group was by far the single most important thing to happen to our group of volunteers, as far as education goes.

Very smart woman, very very smart.

I don't know much about what is going on now, but I don't see a problem with the statement. I don't have a problem with people trying to "brand themselves" instead of attaching themselves to Dr. Paul's name.

Luke and I attended the same training and it was extremely good. Unfortunately in a city of 8,000,000, it was extraordinarily difficult to apply tactics that would be perfect for a county of same 100,000 people.

I don't know anything about this Viguerie guy other than he setup UltimateRonPaul.com site, and that he donated zero dollars to the Ron Paul campaign.

I'd advise every discount, severely, anything that comes from this guy. But as always, make your own decisions.
 
He claims in his first sentence " We have uncomfirmed word". It looks like he's trying to to make the Baldwin campaign appear unstable and Anti-Revolution. This is exactly the kind of tactics he used for the Woody Jenkins campaign in Baton Rouge. Barr needs to lose this loser.

I was involved in most of the Barr team meetings at the LP convention. Viguerie was not at any of those meetings, nor am I aware of any involvement by Viguerie in Barr's campaign. I know that Viguerie's company is not allowed to do work for political parties or campaigns (at least ones that report to the FEC).
 
I was involved in most of the Barr team meetings at the LP convention. Viguerie was not at any of those meetings, nor am I aware of any involvement by Viguerie in Barr's campaign. I know that Viguerie's company is not allowed to do work for political parties or campaigns (at least ones that report to the FEC).

Where did you get this information from? Google Viguerie. He just got through with an extremely high profile (yet losing) campaign with Woody Jenkins of Baton Rouge.

http://wakeupamericashow.blogspot.com/2008/02/richard-viguerie-spokesman-steven-j.html
 
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As I said on a related thread: I attended Andrews' training last fall, and I think the controversy centers around her strategies for going outside of our 10% universe of hyper-informed liberty movement people, and actually reaching the 90% who could care less, but who still vote.

Ultimately, Paul HQ apparently wanted to run a 10% race for the hardcore supporters, and wouldn't embrace the Andrews approach to reaching most voters, so she left the campaign. Considering she's working with the CP, if she's distancing herself from Paul it's probably more like cutting her bridges with his campaign style, which won him no primary victories.
 
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