Turns out some of the Utah trapped miners are ILLEGAL.

[ChooseLiberty]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3460333&page=1

They're now bringing in officials from Mexico.

 

[markpa]

It doesn't surprise me. I heard a story on NPR about the outspoken owner and it refered to him as a huge Bush supporter. So I figure any crime is possibel with this guy.

I do hope this focuses some attention on the Illegal situation.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Yes, I heard this yesterday on CNN, when the mines owner, Bob Murray, referred to some of trapped miners as 'of Mexican Descent", while not admitting that they were potentially illegal.
This guy Murray galls me, the way he speaks of the trapped miners is as if he has already written them off as dead, just another cost of doing business, and this tragedy is everything else's fault but his.
This is a non union mine, so there is no doubt in my mind that Murray is hiring illegals, and paying them much less than the union standard.

 

[Wendi]

It's an immigration issue. They don't need pictures on the front page of newspapers," Lee told the News.

Excuse me? Since when are reporters barred from photographing and reporting ILLEGAL ACTIVITY?

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

So, does the owner of the mine get fined for hiring illegals?

Do the illegals get deported?

Are there truly Americans that are unemployed that wouldn't do this work?

What will probably end up happening is this--the illegals will sue using OSHA rules and end up owning the mine.

 

[Spirit of '76]

No big surprise.

King Coal has been pushing for getting illegals into the mines for a while now.

Last year there was a big hullaballoo when the CEO of one of the largest energy conglomerates extracting coal from Kentucky was discovered to be lobbying for the removal of the MSHA safety regulations requiring that all miners be able to speak English.

 

[Ira Aten]

Hey Choose Liberty!

Your thread states that "Some of the trapped miners are Illegals!"

That has not been established yet.

Here is the actual statement within the article:

"Some of the Mexican nationals may be illegal immigrants, according to Barbara Stinson Lee, a spokeswoman for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City who talked to the Rocky Mountain News. She reportedly asked photographers not to take pictures of families who attended a Mass Tuesday night.

"It is a request from the families that there be no photographs. It's not grief. It's an immigration issue. They don't need pictures on the front page of newspapers," Lee told the News.

Yet mine owner Bob Murray insisted during an afternoon news conference that all of his employees were legal."




There are Mexican Nationals who are "Resident Aliens" that work legally within the United States.

Don't mean to be a smart alleck or anything, but it is always a good idea to wait until the facts are available. As you know, at first the Mine was accused of being involved in "Retreat Mining", and supposedly that caused the cave in.

Apparantly, according to the data gathered, an earthquake of about 4.0 seems to have been the cause.

We ought to hold on till the facts are all out on it. It may well be they are illegals, yet they might well be "Resident Aliens" lawfully within the U.S. And I certainly am not an apoligist for illegal aliens, as my signature line below will certainly prove.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Being one from a coal state, with many miners of all kinds, my concern is not the status of those trapped, but the fact they are trapped.
The mine owner still pisses me off.

 

[ChooseLiberty]

Care to place a bet?

Didn't think so.

Catholic church involved = illegals

Your thread states that "Some of the trapped miners are Illegals!"

That has not been established yet.

Here is the actual statement within the article:

"Some of the Mexican nationals may be illegal immigrants, according to Barbara Stinson Lee, a spokeswoman for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City who talked to the Rocky Mountain News. She reportedly asked photographers not to take pictures of families who attended a Mass Tuesday night.

"It is a request from the families that there be no photographs. It's not grief. It's an immigration issue. They don't need pictures on the front page of newspapers," Lee told the News.

Yet mine owner Bob Murray insisted during an afternoon news conference that all of his employees were legal."




There are Mexican Nationals who are "Resident Aliens" that work legally within the United States.

Don't mean to be a smart alleck or anything, but it is always a good idea to wait until the facts are available. As you know, at first the Mine was accused of being involved in "Retreat Mining", and supposedly that caused the cave in.

Apparantly, according to the data gathered, an earthquake of about 4.0 seems to have been the cause.

We ought to hold on till the facts are all out on it. It may well be they are illegals, yet they might well be "Resident Aliens" lawfully within the U.S. And I certainly am not an apoligist for illegal aliens, as my signature line below will certainly prove.

 

[hard@work]

Turns out some of those ILLEGALS are people.

 

[mdh]

Catholic church involved = illegals

Woah, say WHAT now?!

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Woah, say WHAT now?!

Well given the Catholic Churches position of giving sanctuary to illegals, which is so often made public in the news with Cardinal Mahoney and others, I could see how this broad jump could be made, even if it is a generalization.
My opinion of any clergy present at the mine site, Catholic or otherwise, would be to council the families of the trapped, for now.

 

[mdh]

Well given the Catholic Churches position of giving sanctuary to illegals, which is so often made public in the news with Cardinal Mahoney and others, I could see how this broad jump could be made, even if it is a generalization.
My opinion of any clergy present at the mine site, Catholic or otherwise, would be to council the families of the trapped, for now.

I agree. I don't agree with the church's stance, but the post to which I originally responded was miles and miles out there. That's like saying that since the Catholic Church is involved, some of the trapped miners must be 12 year old altar boys.

 

[ChooseLiberty]

I wouldn't put it past them.

The Catholic church doctrine is one of the primary reasons for the overpopulation in Mexico which is forcing the illegals into the US.

They're racking up quite a string of good deeds.

I say let them all go live in the Vatican with the Pope.

I agree. I don't agree with the church's stance, but the post to which I originally responded was miles and miles out there. That's like saying that since the Catholic Church is involved, some of the trapped miners must be 12 year old altar boys.

 

[Syren123]

I agree. I don't agree with the church's stance, but the post to which I originally responded was miles and miles out there. That's like saying that since the Catholic Church is involved, some of the trapped miners must be 12 year old altar boys.

Well ya know....we can only judge them by their actions, and hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuit payouts to thousands of victims says something, and blatantly advocating breaking US immigration law right there from the pulpit....the Catholic Church isn't all that credible these days. They've done a lot of harm. They deserve to be scrutinized.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Being one from a coal state, with many miners of all kinds, my concern is not the status of those trapped, but the fact they are trapped.
The mine owner still pisses me off.

Same here.

I'm born and raised here in the coal state, and I've still got coal dust on my shoes. Just last year I watched heartbroken as one of my students went through the terrible agony of losing her father deep underground in a pit called Sago. My heart certainly goes out to any miner stuck in the dark in fear for his life.

That said, the sad fact is that the type of mine operator who hires illegal aliens is the exact same type of mine owner who cuts corners as far as safety is concerned and does the dirty with MSHA to make sure safety violations go unpunished. Lawbreakers who don't care about the safety and security of our country don't care about the safety and security of their employees, either.

 

[Bloody Holly]

When it comes to situations like this, think about being trapped in a mine. Who cares if they are illegal right now? Are you saying that it would have never happened if the company would have never hired illegal immigrants??

They are still human and I can't believe some of the dumb political rantings using this bad situations in the comments at ABC's page. I love how people spin a bad event where their first priority should be hoping those people get out but instead it turns into global warming??

 

[Bloody Holly]

Same here.

I'm born and raised here in the coal state, and I've still got coal dust on my shoes. Just last year I watched heartbroken as one of my students went through the terrible agony of losing her father deep underground in a pit called Sago. My heart certainly goes out to any miner stuck in the dark in fear for his life.

That said, the sad fact is that the type of mine operator who hires illegal aliens is the exact same type of mine owner who cuts corners as far as safety is concerned and does the dirty with MSHA to make sure safety violations go unpunished. Lawbreakers who don't care about the safety and security of our country don't care about the safety and security of their employees, either.[/QUOTE]

I see your point there. It is wrong how out of hand this is where people think, well okay since I can get away with this then I'll go ahead and get away with something else while I'm at it.

 

[ChooseLiberty]

I'll stipulate that the illegals in the mine are human.

May they get rescued and deported to Mexico and the mine owner and everyone else involved jailed for life for breaking all kinds of laws including safety and immigration.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Same here.

I'm born and raised here in the coal state, .

I am not going to argue with you as to which is the coal state my WV little brother.
But we, as Appalachians all know someone, a relative, a friend, who has worked in the mines, and all can feel for those families above ground waiting for those below.