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Tucker Carlson - "Libertarian economics was a scam"
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Out of context? Greenwald responds:
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This brings up a point I'd like to make. This use of "-capitalism" in such manners is, IMO, will-advised in the same way that it is so for "anarchy", with the absurd "anarcho-<x>".
Such usage implies flavors of capitalism. Strictly speaking it's really not that big a deal, but given that the average man is a repulsively willful idiot...
Capitalism is a tool. It's value turns on how it is used. That this is so poorly understood is not just appalling from the standpoint of personal intellectual aesthetics, it is bluntly dangerous. I know this isn't going to change, but thought the point is worth raising.
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Good point. And your average leftist defines “capitalism” as outrageously wealthy people engaging in abusive behavior which also includes fraud, theft and murder. To them, capitalism represents oppressors, while they are the victims.
Dangerous ignorance, brought about by lies, propaganda and brainwashing.
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Exactly. In order to understand what the word really means, you have to understand economics. That's why they're able to put over their scam definition. And the reason their misdefinition of anarchy goes over is similar.
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Exactly. In order to understand what the word really means, you have to understand economics. That's why they're able to put over their scam definition. And the reason their misdefinition of anarchy goes over is similar.
And try to get them to define “libertarianism”.
“It’s where people don’t want government to police evil capitalists or criminals”.
Ironically, that must mean we have the most libertarian government in history right now!
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Apparently the reason we have so much ugliness in the world is too much freedom. We need people like Tucker Carlson to centrally manage the economy for us with the purely altruistic motives they are bound to have.
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I like Tucker most of the time, but this is Grade A Babbling Buffoonery and so he's gonna get a swat-down here. "I don't think any of that [economic theory] works. These are boring conversations, but what I think you need to ask..." This template can be applied to literally anything... "I don't think the theory behind 2+2=4 works. These are boring conversations, but what I think you need to ask..." So now 2+2=whateveryouwant because Tucker is "bored" of understanding why 2+2=4 and not something else.
Tucker should consider getting un-"bored" before spouting off utter nonsense...
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Then pick a different label. The marxist socialists already stole the word "liberal" from us, and we should have never given it up. Don't let them steal libertarian too. What the hell is next, "freedomarian"?! "Freedomite"??
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Only difference I see compared to back in the day is you used to see five & ten cent stores, a.k.a. five and dimes. I suppose if Fucker was alive and rich eighty years ago, he'd have turned his nose up at them too.
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Yeah, the fail-level of "Dollar Stores are ugly" is off the scale of my Fail-O-Meter, the meter's pegged. The Dollar Store is one of the last problems or even symptom of problems in our economy that would need to be dealt with. It's not a sign of anything being wrong with the economy. The ever-rising prices of everything across-the-board due to, oh I don't know, infinity-cash rolling off the smoking-hot printing-press at the Fed 24x7/365... now that is a symptom of something wrong with the economy... but hey, that would be "libertarian economics" and we can't have that, because it's oh-so-booooring...
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Yeah, the fail-level of "Dollar Stores are ugly" is off the scale of my Fail-O-Meter, the meter's pegged. The Dollar Store is one of the last problems or even symptom of problems in our economy that would need to be dealt with. It's not a sign of anything being wrong with the economy. The ever-rising prices of everything across-the-board due to, oh I don't know, infinity-cash rolling off the smoking-hot printing-press at the Fed 24x7/365... now that is a symptom of something wrong with the economy... but hey, that would be "libertarian economics" and we can't have that, because it's oh-so-booooring...
Just Tucker trying to be attractive to Greenwald's audience. Remember, he's trying to start his own empire... Need to appeal to lots of people.
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Sure, I get that. I have no problem with presenting your views in a manner that will be appealing to an audience that probably doesn't agree with your core principles. But here, Tucker is just throwing out what we would have assumed were his core principles... he shined a spotlight on Milei by doing an interview with him, and the tone of his interview was very much sympathetic not only to Milei's anti-socialist views, but also his strong stance on freedom. America is supposed to be "the freedom brand" among the nations. That's supposed to be our thing. And Tucker waves the flag and vigorously associates himself with that brand. But then he spews verbal-vomit like the above and that throws everything into question, especially in Clown World with its ever-present controlled-opp and other shadowy weirdness hiding behind every blind corner. Attacking Dollar Stores is just bonkers... this is 100% first-world problem whining. Grandma buying $5 of tinsel to put on the Christmas tree from the Dollar Store isn't what's wrong with the economy. There is a criticism that can be leveled at corporatism generally, because they are all in bed with the Fed to one extent or another, through the finance/banking system. But that's not the criticism he's making, in fact, he's singling out Dollar Store for being "ugly" by which I think he means something along the lines of cheap Chinese goods killing off local businesses, or something like. To whatever extent that that is true of Dollar Store (seems to me Amazon and Walmart are at least 1000x as guilty), it is because of its implicit subsidy -- along with all major corporations -- through the Fed and the banking/finance/regulation system which protects them from genuine competition. And the whole discussion is framed by Greenwald as a demonstration that Tucker is actually quite socialist (fawning the audience), which characterization Tucker does not even asterisk or clarify, so he means what he says -- he thinks that market competition is ugly, and that relatively small-time corporations in the grand scheme of things, like Dollar Store, are somehow the main symbol of what is wrong with the economy. What is wrong with the economy? How about BlackRock? How about FAANG/Big Tech? How about all the commercial banks? How about the NYC casino called Wall St. How about the Fed? How about infinite debt being poured over our children's heads? By continuing to look away from the actual problems which are beyond obvious at this point, commentators like Tucker actually lead people astray, by giving them the false sense that they have "understood" what is "really wrong". Yeah, the ugliness of Dollar Stores. That's what's really wrong with America...
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Greenwald And Carlson Get It Wrong | Part Of The Problem 1069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRB9Qftdfo
{Dave Smith | 21 December 2023}
On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie take a look at a recent segment from System Update, where Glenn Greenwald [and Tucker Carlson] discuss the economy and their ideas about libertarian economics. We then take a look at Bill Maher and his most recent take on the conflict in Gaza.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRB9Qftdfo
{Dave Smith | 21 December 2023}
On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie take a look at a recent segment from System Update, where Glenn Greenwald [and Tucker Carlson] discuss the economy and their ideas about libertarian economics. We then take a look at Bill Maher and his most recent take on the conflict in Gaza.
