And here's the part of the conversation where Tucker Carlson defends a black nationalist socialist who Biden is trying to put in prison for the rest of his natural born life for taking the Russian position in the war in Ukraine and going to the United Nations in 2015 to say there is a genocide in America against black people. (And yet the Democrats pretend to support the slogan "black lives matter.") And [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], this is the point I was trying to make in the thread about the anarcho-communist who burned himself to death protesting Trump and Biden, bad COVID policy and what he sees as a crypto ponzi scheme. Unlike Ted Kaczynski, with whom Tucker agrees with about AI being an existential threat, the anarcho-communist didn't hurt anyone but himself. And if Tucker Carlson can find common ground on a common message with someone like the unibomber, or with a black nationalist socialist, then maybe it's not wrong to hear a message all the way out even if you don't agree with the method (letter bombs or self immolation) or all of the message (is there a genocide against African Americans in the U.S. in particular?) I think [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION], @CCTelnder and [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] understand what I'm saying. Defensive vote for Trump all you want. Tucker seems pretty keen on voting for Trump. But there are things in this world that are possibly more important and certainly have longer lasting effect than voting.
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And if somebody is not allowed to speak or fired from his job for having an opinion that you disagree with, defend him anyway. I just interviewed a guy who is a black nationalist socialist, okay? So I'm obviously not much of a black nationalist. I don't know if you're aware of that, but I'm not. And I'm not a socialist either.
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But this guy is facing prison time under the Biden DOJ because he said things they don't like about foreign policy. And I just interviewed the guy for an hour and it was like, I'm, because on principle, you should be able to say what you think, period. What is this gentleman's name? He was actually, it turns out I like loved him. Oh, and I'm embarrassed I can't,
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he's a member of a pretty small black nationalist socialist group. It's like the revolutionary black nationalists or something like that. They're out of Southwest Florida. And he's literally facing prison for repeating Russian disinformation. He's not even accused of doing anything.
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He's accused of saying things the Biden DOJ doesn't like. Well, you know. What were these things that he said? Repeating Russian propaganda. About? About the invasion of Ukraine. And his point was, well, there's a backstory here, which is that NATO has been moving eastward since 1991,
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and that's a massive threat to Russia. Missiles on their border from a hostile power is a threat. And the Biden administration accelerated that, and in response, Putin invaded eastern Ukraine. Now, you can disagree with that, but that's hardly a crackpot view, by the way. I think that's actually true, but even if you don't agree that it's true,
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that's not, you don't have to be a paid propagandist from the Kremlin to say that. Right. I have said it, I'm not a paid propagandist. Is this the gentleman? That's him right there. Four Americans from a black-empowerment organization work with Russian intelligence to spread propaganda,
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Fed say. Yes, to spread propaganda. Now propaganda, first of all, you know, there's a lot of propaganda. Scroll up a little on that, Jamie, so I can read what this is saying. It's covered up. Oh, okay. Right?
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So that guy is, that guy right there. Okay, subscribe real quick. Yeah, the People's Democratic Uhuru Movement in St. Petersburg. So. So he contacted, he spoke with someone in Russia. They spoke with people in Russia and then he repeated. No, no, no, he is being, he's charged with felonies.
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The FBI raided his house. The first thing they did was cover up the security cameras and they went in there and arrested them, raided by the FBI. Russia's foreign intelligence service allegedly weaponized our first amendment rights, freedoms, Russianized citizens to divide Americans and interfere elections in the US says assistant attorney general Matthew Olson.
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Now, first of all, weaponized our first amendment rights? No, your first amendment rights are never a crime. They're God given, the government did not bestow them, you were born with them as a free person, period, and the First Amendment simply says you can't interfere with their exercise, that's it. And in this they are. And I looked at, I read this and I thought,
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and I reached out to this guy by the way. Matthew Olson? No, I wish, Matthew Olson would never do my show. You mean the guy whose salary I pay as a US citizen? No, he would never speak to me. Listen, look at that quote. Russia's foreign intelligence services allegedly weaponized our First Amendment rights,
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freedoms Russia denies its own citizens to divide Americans and interfere in elections in the United States. That, you gotta like, why are you saying that? Say what happened. Well, but nothing happens. So that's the thing. So I'm reading this, someone sent it to me
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and I'm like, okay, clearly there's a crime here. Like they were found with, I don't know, mortar shells or they were, I mean, usually the government makes up, they put kiddie porn on your computer, at least to discredit you. There's no underlying crime other than they said something that the foreign policy establishment
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of the United States disagrees with. Okay, that's not a crime other than they said something that the foreign policy establishment of the United States disagrees with. Okay, that's not a crime by definition. And this guy is facing life in prison. And it looks to me, because Barry Weiss has not defended him, I think this guy is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. And I'm like, this is crazy. The rest of his life in prison? Yes.
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Okay, hold it. This is the thing. I think he's 83. How do you say his prison? Yes! Okay, hold on, this is the thing. He's, I think he's 83. Yeshit, how do you say his name? Yeshitela? Yeshitela and three other U.S. citizens, Penny Joanne Hess, Jesse Neville, and Augustus C. Romaine Jr. are charged with conspiracy to defraud U.S. Hess? Uh, oh, okay, defraud the United States. Hess, Yeshitela, and and Nivelle are also charged
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with impersonating agents of a foreign government. Okay, they say to defraud the United States, so defraud suggests theft of something of value, right? Right. If I defraud you, I steal your money. There's no allegation of that at all. And I actually read the charges. There's no, the only allegation is they said things
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that the US government, the Biden administration doesn't like, that's it. And because they're unpopular, and they have views that are considered quote, fringe, you know, like crazy black nationalists, nobody wants to defend them. And my only point is not that I'm like such a principled person.
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This seems very obvious to me. You can't allow that. You absolutely cannot allow that if you believe in the First Amendment and the freedom of free people to say what they think. So what this implication is, they're saying that they were recruited by the FSB. So it says the prosecutor said, Ianov operated an entity called the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia that was used to carry out its US influence efforts overseen by the Russian intelligence service, known as FSB. They recruited US-based organizations to help sway elections, make it appear there was a strong support in the US for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and backed efforts such
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as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry the genocide of African people in the US according to the indictment. Backed efforts. What does that mean? Look at that. It means that. It's negative to back efforts such as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry the genocide of African people. But just look at that statement. Backed efforts such as a
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thing to decry genocide. The United Nations petition of 2015 to decry the genocide of African people in the US according to the indictment. Okay, so the real misinformation and propaganda is in the charging documents, actually. The real liars here are the Biden DOJ officials who did this, and they're dangerous. They're criminals, in my opinion. But if you read it carefully,
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you will see that the only crime is having opinions that the people in charge didn't like. And were they in contact with people from Russia? Yeah, I think they went over to Russia for some conference. So, by the way, the way this typically works is they say, well, you went to a country against which we've imposed sanctions and you violated the sanctions regime in some way.
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Like that's how they get you. They're not even alleging that. They're not even alleging that. They're not even alleging that. They're just saying, you said things that we don't like, that by the way a foreign government we don't like, agrees with. But that's not- But that they learned those when they went over to Russia?
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They learned these things? No, it's all on the internet. That they learned them? I mean, I guess it doesn't matter where they learned them. I would, because I've talked to the guy and I've seen what they wrote, the opinions that they expressed, I don't, you know, the genocide of African peoples
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in America, I don't even know what that means. I guess I don't agree with that. But their views on Russia, I generally agree with because I think they're true. And so does Jeff Sachs and a lot of other non-crazy, non-black nationalists who probably agree with the basic framework of their position. But whether we agree or not is not relevant.
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Right. All that matters is in a free country, which this was when I grew up, you have the right to any opinion you want. You do not have the right to hurt people, you don't have the right to steal from them, you don't have the right to defraud people, but you certainly foremost have the right to hurt people, you don't have the right to steal from them, you don't have the right to defraud people, but you certainly foremost have the right
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to any opinion you want, no matter what the people in charge think of it. In fact, you have that right as a bulwark against tyranny by the people in charge. Like that's the only thing that keeps this country free is my right to have any opinion I want. And this guy is going to jail for his opinions. And, you know, it's so crazy that I kept thinking,
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like, is there something that I'm missing? Like, it does seem a little fringe, this group. I'd never heard of them. I'm not sending them money, okay? They must have done something. Nope, nothing. And you should see the video of the FBI raid. It's unbelievable.
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They sent, they sent like, it's on the internet. It's on X. I have the video on there. They sent like 40 armed agents with automatic weapons to this guy's office and his house like no exaggeration It was a full-blown like we're arresting El Chapo type thing for this guy's like an 83 year old army veteran It's outrageous. And I really find it baffling that nobody who's like against woke culture, whatever, will touch it. And the reason they won't touch it is because their foreign policy views in general are more important
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to them than their views on speech and the First Amendment. Their views on America. Well, if you step out of line, right, so the ideology is that we must support Ukraine. So this is, Russia has a point. This is what they're saying. So Russia was very upset about the movement of the weapons closer to their borders, the joining NATO, all the stuff that was the hard red lines that Putin had already set, like if Russia would definitely do something if Ukraine joined NATO.
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We all knew that. So if you deviate from that, you're going to be in trouble. So better just ignore it. Because you can't, you clearly, if you look at who these people are, I mean these are people that would be supported by the left, wholeheartedly. Well they are, I mean it's like
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the revolutionary socialism. Yeah, right. They're not at CPAC this year. But the left has to ignore it because then. 100%. It conflicts with this other part of the ideology. Well the categories right and left are just like, now they're actually ridiculous.
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They're ridiculous. They don't mean anything. In fact, we've moved, the categories right and left are just like, now they're actually ridiculous. They're ridiculous. They don't mean anything. In fact, we've moved past the point where they don't mean anything, they do mean something. They are propaganda instruments designed to cloak the truth from the rest of us. Then in fact, there's agreement, not disagreement at the center of power.
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They all agree on the things that matter. And those are the economy and foreign policy because that's where the money is. There's no effort to say rein in the credit card companies, which if you really cared about the country, you'd say but people are really suffering, okay, they don't have enough money to live, kids can't not only not buy houses, they can't afford rent, and why is that? And one of the main reasons is because they're paying like close to 20% interest on their credit cards and
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Okay, we just imagine that in a free market, that's a good thing. Tell me why that's a good thing who benefits from that Why are we for that again? I'm not for that. I think the credit card companies are villains and They send credit cards to kids at school and get them hooked on this. I think it's totally wrong and If you said that in the US Congress people people would look at you like you had three heads, like what? They just don't care because they all agree that our current economic system and our current foreign policy assumptions are good. So that's not a two party system, that's a one party system, and it doesn't serve the interest of the country.
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And my position is super simple. The only country I have an emotional attachment to is the United States, that's it. I like lots of countries. I like almost all countries actually. I've been to a lot of them. I like them all. But the only one I feel emotional about
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is the United States, because I live here. I was born here, my kids are here. It's my country. And most of the people in our foreign policy conversation do not feel that way. So that distorts it really dramatically. And there also, a lot of them are violence worshipers. Like they get off on war.
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They get off on hurting people and on the power that that imbues them with. And I think, you know, the Liz Cheney model, you know what I mean? Like someone like Liz Cheney, who's got like a really sad and barren personal life, a lot of them are this way, weird personal life, failed personal life.
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Like they don't have people who love them. They don't have kids who respect them. And so Adam Kinzinger or whatever, they're all kind of the same. The more broken they are inside, the more focused they are on like war and foreign policy because it gives them a feeling of power and strength and success.
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Like I can't get my wife to respect me. I can't get my kids to listen to me. I can't pass any meaningful domestic agenda. But what I can do is bomb the living shit out of a foreign country. And so there is this, it's not true for all of them, but for a lot of them, there is this syndrome that drives their behavior.
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But whatever the reason, it's totally disconnected from what's good for the country. And if you run America, you have one job, one job, and that's improve America, period. They don't see it that way. So I don't think the system can continue because it's too distorted. It's not serving its original purpose at all. So what was it that these guys said that made this raid possible? They said Russia, and I don't wanna speak for them.
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Like I interviewed, anyone who wants to see it can interview. And I just wanna say again, like one of the cool things about this moment that I did not anticipate all this sad stuff happening, I know that you probably experienced this all the time, is like finding not only common ground with people you thought you had nothing in common with at all, but also like liking them.
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You know, like I actually liked the guy. I'm sure we disagree on a million things, probably mad at white people. I am a white person, whatever. But like in my conversation, I was like, I like this guy. You know, he's honest and he's sincere, he's principled. He was a veteran, you know, but whatever. No, I really think what they said was what I have said and a lot of people have said,
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which is there was a reason for this invasion. I personally think the invasion was a bad idea, didn't help anybody. I'm against war, I'm sad, the war's ongoing. But they were pushed to this by a more powerful country, which would be the United States of America With the threat of including Ukraine in NATO. It's really simple and right before the invasion days before the invasion They send poor Kamala Harris who has no idea what day it is to the Munich Security Conference an area She knows nothing about no experience in at. And they send her there for one purpose,
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which is to announce any press briefing with all the cameras rolling, to Zelensky right there, she says, "'We want you to join NATO.'" What? No other NATO members were clamoring for Ukraine. It didn't even qualify for a NATO membership. Why would you say that?
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